Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?
Hi! > We see FTP and especially WebDAV as the "best fit" technoligies for the > "content owners"; we spent a good deal of effoert on cleaning up FTP/WebDAV > for yesterday's CMF release, for instance. I think you are misunderstanding what I mean with enabling "power users": With WebDAV and FTP one can upload/download/edit HTML content. Maybe also other documents like Word/PowerPoint. Period. What I am talking about is data objects. In a data-driven intranet application, the document part is only one side of the coin. The other is structured data. To get an idea of what kind of applications I have in mind, think of user-programmable database tools like MS Access, or some of the web form capabilities of Lotus Notes, Apple WebObjects (never seen it, but seems to be useful) or Microsoft's Exchange Server platform. Examples: Adapting a Zope-based intranet to an organization: A power user (call him admin if you like) takes the most suitable template (which is a set of ZClasses or real Python classes, or maybe just an XML-based model file) and adds some fields specific to his organization, changes the look-and-feel, finished. Let's say there is a "sports club" template that was optimized for football clubs, and he adds support for a soccer club's specific needs (as far as it does not involve REAL programming). Compare it to taking and adapting Squishdot. I'd bet that at least half of the sites using Squishdot were built by people who do not know about Python at all and did everything over the web. There is a large need for these things. Another tool that is useful for this kind of things, but still limited in some respects, is beehive's MetaPublisher ... Other example: Somebody wants to publish a web form to enable people to register for the company's beach party. He just can build the form and the necessary data storage classes in the back over the web. These two scenarios show there is no way of doing this via WebDAV/FTP (except if you provide powerful thick clients, but that seems not too reasonable to me). Joachim. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?
"Joachim Werner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > > this distinction so that all components can be edited via the >> > > filesystem and live in the object database. > >> >> This does worry me. I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO), >> but... >> >> Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python >> code using filesystem tools, it should be OK. It just makes me nervous . We want to give th programmer the freedom to use comfortable tools, while still preserving the "distributability" of having the objects in the ZODB (replicating filesystem-based code is a hairy problem). > I guess the crucial point is that everything should be editable from BOTH > the filesystem (or a mountable Zope storage ;-)) and the web front end. > > Actually our motivation is a bit different from the one at DC. They mainly > see the programmer as the target. For us, it's the power user, who wants to > creat new objects, but only within a limited framework. For adding > completely new functionality, these people would rely on professional help. > But adding a new attribute to an object or changing a form should all be > possible over the web. We see FTP and especially WebDAV as the "best fit" technoligies for the "content owners"; we spent a good deal of effoert on cleaning up FTP/WebDAV for yesterday's CMF release, for instance. Tres. -- === Tres Seaver[EMAIL PROTECTED] Digital Creations "Zope Dealers" http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?
> > >this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem > > and > > >live in the object database. > > This does worry me. I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO), > but... > > Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code > using filesystem tools, it should be OK. It just makes me nervous . I guess the crucial point is that everything should be editable from BOTH the filesystem (or a mountable Zope storage ;-)) and the web front end. Actually our motivation is a bit different from the one at DC. They mainly see the programmer as the target. For us, it's the power user, who wants to creat new objects, but only within a limited framework. For adding completely new functionality, these people would rely on professional help. But adding a new attribute to an object or changing a form should all be possible over the web. Joachim ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Does creating REAL over-the-web Python code becomerealistic with Zope 2.4?
On Fri, 1 Jun 2001, E. Seifert wrote: > at http://dev.zope.org/Resources/ZopeDirections.html: > >The major goal will be to simplify how components (now called products) > >are built and used. For example, currently some products are built in the > >filesystem and some are built in the object database. We want to remove > >this distinction so that all components can be edited via the filesystem > and > >live in the object database. This does worry me. I think I understand at least one motivation (ZEO), but... Well, as long as it doesn't compromise my ability to write Zope python code using filesystem tools, it should be OK. It just makes me nervous . --RDM ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://lists.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
