Re: [Zope-dev] how to help Martijn (how can we have better discussions?)

2010-01-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martin Aspeli wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: Instead, we had endless debates about whether it was a legitimate concern for the ZTK maintainers. I'm of course still right that it is. I have wonderful and coherent reasons to support my position just like everybody else does who disagrees with

Re: [Zope-dev] how to help Martijn (how can we have better discussions?)

2010-01-04 Thread Martijn Faassen
Martijn Faassen wrote: [snip] So how can we have better discussions? We can have better discussions by helping me. How can you help me? Of course it helps if you agree with me. I realize that's frequently infeasible, but I certainly wouldn't mind. :) If you disagree with me, I'd like

[Zope-dev] how to help Martijn (how can we have better discussions?)

2010-01-03 Thread Martijn Faassen
Hi there, A meta-discussion, how dangerous! Let's see whether it can help us improve the way we work together, though. I'll talk about how I think, from my perspective, we can improve the quality of discourse on this mailing list and be more constructive. What lowered the quality of this

Re: [Zope-dev] how to help Martijn (how can we have better discussions?)

2010-01-03 Thread Martin Aspeli
Martijn Faassen wrote: What lowered the quality of this discussion? I think it is because various people became quite upset and annoyed. That's because I reverted Hanno's changes to the ZTK trunk. I shouldn't have done that just like that, but I needed the subsequent discussion to come up