Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-02 Thread Christian Theune
On 06/02/2010 02:55 PM, Charlie Clark wrote:
> Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune :
>
>> I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with
>> Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I
>> tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a
>> reply, so I'm unsure.
>
> Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary.

Thanks!


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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-02 Thread Charlie Clark

Am 01.06.2010, 16:51 Uhr, schrieb Christian Theune :


I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with
Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I
tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a
reply, so I'm unsure.


Well, I did make it. It was a fairly brief meeting, here's the summary.

Charlie
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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

On 06/01/2010 03:13 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
> On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to
>> consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and
>> how we decide when to make a release of a package.
>
> The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ...

I won't be able to moderate the session today and I had a chat with 
Charlie earlier today (and tried poking him a few minutes ago) where I 
tried to signal this and whether he can take over. I haven't received a 
reply, so I'm unsure.

Is anyone else able to take over today?

Christian

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Re: [Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune
On 06/01/2010 03:11 PM, Christian Theune wrote:
> Hi,
>
> an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to
> consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and
> how we decide when to make a release of a package.

The meeting is on IRC (irc://freenode/#zope) of course ...


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[Zope-dev] Developer meeting today at 15:00 UTC, Agenda attached

2010-06-01 Thread Christian Theune

Hi,

an here's today's agenda. I'd like to talk about Tres' suggestion to 
consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx (docs.zope.org?) and 
how we decide when to make a release of a package.


Christian

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==
2010-06-01
==

This is the agenda and summary for the weekly Zope developer meeting of
Tuesday, 2010-06-01 on #z...@irc.freenode.org from 15:00 to 15:30 UTC.

Agenda
==

- Documentation
- Consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org

- Releases
- How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for
  which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any
  automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around
  unreleased for a while?

Ongoing issues
--

Those issues are currently ongoing. We don't have to discuss them. We just
need to follow up on them eventually.


- ZTK status
- Towards a ZTK release
- Documentation
- Release scope

- KGS 3.4.1 release
- Document release procedure (Adam)
- Index view for download.zope.org

- Test runners / nightly builds
- Windows machines
- Compiler licenses (Tres, postponed until after 2010-06-02)
- AMI/ (Sidnei, Adam)
- Amazon funding (Adam, Christian Theune)

- Bug tracking
- Monitoring tracker status (Charlie Clark, ctheune)

- Documentation
- Consolidate "floating" documentation into Sphinx/docs.zope.org

- Releases
- How to find a good point when to cut a new release for a package for
  which fixed bugs where registered (or changes have been made)? Any
  automation possible to alert us when changes have been sitting around
  unreleased for a while?

- Metrics for bug days
- Find a way to demonstrate what/how much work happened on a bug day.

- Meta
- Review meeting itself, maybe add extra 15 minutes for "meta" once a
  month or every two months? (postponed until 2010-06-01)
- How to organize open issues in the long run (Blueprints?
  Other tool? Continue text files?)
- Find second person to run the weekly meetings


Topic proposals
---

- Lennart: Of course what applies to Hanno should apply to others making
  releases of packages maintained by the Zope Toolkit project as well. I think
  the ZTK leadership should figure out some kind of guidelines for this that
  people can follow.

- Chris McDonough: Pondering *some* (re-)structuring of the ZTK to allow for
  better maintenance/release management/communication/marketing. 

- Christian Theune: I'd like us to ponder how we can (in addition to the
  housekeeping and cleanups we do) also move to do constructive work together
  to expand the stuff that Zope packages (ZTK) is about. How do we go about
  implementing new technologies together, like supporting HTML 5 in the
  various parts? I'd like to start putting in new code in the foreseeable
  future in the zope.* namespace.

Summary
===

The IRC log is available here:
http://zope3.pov.lt/irclogs-zope/%23zope.2010-05-25.log.html#t2010-05-25T18:00:25

Windows builds
--

Adam didn't manage to look into the AMIs due to illness. He did draft an
initial proposal that he started discussed with Christian Theune to get
funding for a hosted windows build machine from the foundation.

However, Amazon might not be the right choice due to the high cost associated
with 64-bit machines.  Rackspace's Windows VMs seem to be a viable alternative
and will be investigated by Adam. Adam and Christian will write a proposal to
present at the next board meeting on 2010-06-02 that:

- includes a trial period (
  funding for 1-2 months to set everything up
  and make sure it does what we need)
- subsequent cost after the trial period
- ensures control over the machine is available to the foundation but can be
  handed over to individual community members easily

An open question is whether 64-bit Windows installations allow installing the
build chains for 32-bit and 64-bit in parallel. (Adam to ask Sidnei for input)

KGS 3.4.1 release
-

The KGS release is going to have a release candidate as soon as Adam gets to
it. He noted that actual .tar and .exe releases will be made on request (the
option will be stated in the release notes).

In an earlier meeting Adam wanted to write documentation about the release
process but pointed out that there's already sufficient documentation in
zope.release that helped him make the releases. Additional baijum and srichter
pointed out resources
(http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/DeveloperInfo#release-management and
http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/MakingARelease) that are related to this.

Tres noted that we might put a new item on our list: generally consolidating
the documentation float