Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Andy McKay]

Thats what ZPM did for a while, the server side stuff on my end is now
broken. It would display a list of products and tell you what version needs
updating. It would be fairly straightfoward to get that running again I
believe if anyone wants to take a gander.
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> I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab
> on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC
> calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when
> compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is
> available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262
> realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this,
> however. Let's see some Web Services!
>
> Eron
>
> On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
> > Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at
the
> > time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran
out
> > and there was this work conflict thing ;)
> >
> > Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something
like
> > Gideon is sorely needed.
> >
> > > | Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
> >
> > We would love the possibility, go to it ;)
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Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Eron Lloyd]

Is that code sitting anywhere? I'd like to take a look at it.

Thanks,

Eron

On Thu, 2002-09-05 at 01:37, Andy McKay wrote:
> Thats what ZPM did for a while, the server side stuff on my end is now
> broken. It would display a list of products and tell you what version needs
> updating. It would be fairly straightfoward to get that running again I
> believe if anyone wants to take a gander.
> --
>   Andy McKay
>   Agmweb Consulting
>   http://www.agmweb.ca
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Eron Lloyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Andy McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jeffrey Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management
> 
> 
> > I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab
> > on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC
> > calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when
> > compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is
> > available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262
> > realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this,
> > however. Let's see some Web Services!
> >
> > Eron
> >
> > On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
> > > Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at
> the
> > > time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran
> out
> > > and there was this work conflict thing ;)
> > >
> > > Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something
> like
> > > Gideon is sorely needed.
> > >
> > > > | Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
> > >
> > > We would love the possibility, go to it ;)
> > > --
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> > >   http://www.agmweb.ca
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Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Eron Lloyd]

I think this is a great idea. A good way to start would be to have a tab
on the Control Panel entitles "Updates", that would make some XML-RPC
calls to Zope.org, and provide update and hotfix information when
compared against your running server. Of course, how we know what is
available is a good question...we would need to see PEPs 241 and 262
realized I imagine. The current version check wouldn't need this,
however. Let's see some Web Services!

Eron

On Wed, 2002-09-04 at 18:25, Andy McKay wrote:
> Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the
> time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out
> and there was this work conflict thing ;)
> 
> Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like
> Gideon is sorely needed.
> 
> > | Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.
> 
> We would love the possibility, go to it ;)
> --
>   Andy McKay
>   Agmweb Consulting
>   http://www.agmweb.ca
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Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Andy McKay]

Ive discussed this long ago and started off ZPM to do that. However at the
time PyPPM wasnt done and distutils wasn't standard. My enthusiasm ran out
and there was this work conflict thing ;)

Zope.org doesn't really have a good product querying system, something like
Gideon is sorely needed.

> | Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.

We would love the possibility, go to it ;)
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Re: [Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Sidnei da Silva]

On Qua 04 Set 2002 15:31, Jeffrey Chan wrote:
| I'm sure this has been proposed a thousand times b4. Product
| management/download/installation really should be integrated into ZMI,
| kinda like what apt-get does now.
|
| All products is already sitting on a central repository (zope.org), all
| that's needed is a front-end and a standard packaging policy.
|
| There's probably good reason that there's still no TTW product management
| in Zope (complexity, I assume). But how about switching Zope's Python
| runtime to ActiveState distro? ActiveState already has PyPPM for package
| management, why not customize it for Zope? Create an additional ZopePPM
| that queries the zope.org repository for packages, while leaving PyPPM for
| installing Python runtime libraries.
|
| Ideally, if u use ZopePPM to install something like MySQLDA, it'll resolve
| the dependancies and invoke PyPPM automatically to install addtional Python
| runtime libraries in the correct locations. No more Python runtime lirary
| installation hell!!
|
| Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.

Ive been discussing this with Paul Everitt and Kapil Thangavelu during the 
last months. We have this in mind, and will put those ideas in practice when 
creating the new version of Zope.org (no date yet). Kapil has a good part of 
the server side API implemented, but its not finished yet (the Python 
Gideon).

For more information about the Gideon, contact Kapil itself, at 
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[Zope-dev] Improving product management

[Jeffrey Chan]

I'm sure this has been proposed a thousand times b4. Product 
management/download/installation really should be integrated into ZMI, kinda like what 
apt-get does now.

All products is already sitting on a central repository (zope.org), all that's needed 
is a front-end and a standard packaging policy.

There's probably good reason that there's still no TTW product management in Zope 
(complexity, I assume). But how about switching Zope's Python runtime to ActiveState 
distro? ActiveState already has PyPPM for package management, why not customize it for 
Zope? Create an additional ZopePPM that queries the zope.org repository for packages, 
while leaving PyPPM for installing Python runtime libraries.

Ideally, if u use ZopePPM to install something like MySQLDA, it'll resolve the 
dependancies and invoke PyPPM automatically to install addtional Python runtime 
libraries in the correct locations. No more Python runtime lirary installation hell!!

Just a thought. How u guys would consider the possibility.


pz.



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