Re: [Zope-dev] [Plone-developers] Relaxing Zope id rules for Zope 4 / Plone 5
On Feb 21, 2013, at 09:38 , Hans-Peter Locher wrote: > In a distributed application, > you cannot always ensure that you have each component > "under control". > The url is the most basic interface to a web application. > > In Plone the id (and therefore the url) is generated from user's title input. > For a title unicode is perfectly fine and needed (especially in unicode > countries like germany). > > If Plone/Zope would generate utf-8 ids by default you'll get utf-8 urls from > the users generating the content immediately. > > This will lead to unpredictably errors (as most urls will still work as they > don't contain utf-8 but some do) > in the distributed applications. What kind of errors are you thinking of? > Another issue might be that some developer tools might stop working / or only > work in latest versions > > E.g. > > Python's urllib and xmlrpclib > Selenium IDE > windmill > jmeter > … All of these will still work fine. One thing to realise is that an UTF-8 URL itself is still an ASCII thing: it uses %-quoting for non-ASCII (and some other) characters. For example my local test site has a URL which looks like http://localhost:8080/Pløne/ in my browser but it really is http://localhost:8080/Pl%C3%B8ne/ . To get there Zope uses urllib.quote() internally, for example in the implementation of the absolute_url() method. > In my opinion having utf-8 urls should be possible in Zope/Plone. > But not by default. I have no problem with making that configurable. Wichert. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Plone-developers] Relaxing Zope id rules for Zope 4 / Plone 5
On Feb 21, 2013, at 09:26 , Christian Ledermann wrote: > I agree with Hans Peter, > > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> >> On Feb 21, 2013, at 09:08 , Hans-Peter Locher >> wrote: >> >>> In my opinion utf-8 urls are >>> >>> the same kind of evil as having >>> >>> tabs and whitespaces in filenames. > > have you ever tried to type german umlauts or russian characters on an > english keyboard? Yes, frequently. Wichert. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] [Plone-developers] Relaxing Zope id rules for Zope 4 / Plone 5
On Feb 21, 2013, at 09:08 , Hans-Peter Locher wrote: > In my opinion utf-8 urls are > > the same kind of evil as having > > tabs and whitespaces in filenames. Can you explain your reasoning? Wichert. ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
