Re: [Zope-dev] 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

2009-06-24 Thread Andreas Jung
On 24.06.09 12:29, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:
> * 2009-06-24 12:26, Jim Fulton wrote:
>   
>> So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop  
>> debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?
>> 
> The problem is not Zope by itself but Plone, which still needs Zope 2.10,
> which in turn requires python 2.4.
>
> It seems that a new major release of Plone will happen at the end of the
> year, which is already too late for Ubuntu Karmic (next stable release).
>   
We had the very same discussion with the guys from Canonical at some months
ago at PyCon. My personal opionion: the Zope developers don't care much
about release dates (that the "it's done when it is done" attitiude -
good or
bad...). Therefore we can not and won't care much about the release
dates and
requirements of each single distribution. The other question: are Plone
packages
included with some Linux distribution important for attracting people to
Plone.
My opionion: no. It's nice having OFTB support for Plone and Zope on the
distros
but the Zope and Plone packages raised more problems for serious Zope/Plone
users in the past than they actually solved. Serious installations usually
install their own Python, Zope & Plone from the sources or using zc.buildout
nowadays (this approach is supported by the Zope and Plone developers).

Andreas


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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

2009-06-24 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2009-06-24 12:26, Jim Fulton wrote:
> So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop  
> debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?

The problem is not Zope by itself but Plone, which still needs Zope 2.10,
which in turn requires python 2.4.

It seems that a new major release of Plone will happen at the end of the
year, which is already too late for Ubuntu Karmic (next stable release).

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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

2009-06-24 Thread Jim Fulton

On Jun 24, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Fabio Tranchitella wrote:

> * 2009-06-24 11:39, Jim Fulton wrote:
 The main problem for Zope2 is that the current stable upstream  
 branch
 (2.12) still requires python2.4.
>
> My fault, I meant 2.11 (which is the current stable).


So then, how soon would 2.12 need to be released for you to not drop  
debian support for Zope 2 and Plone?

Jim

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Re: [Zope-dev] 2.5/2.6 support in Zope (Re: The future of Zope{2, 3} and Plone in Debian and Ubuntu)

2009-06-24 Thread Fabio Tranchitella
* 2009-06-24 11:39, Jim Fulton wrote:
> >> The main problem for Zope2 is that the current stable upstream branch
> >> (2.12) still requires python2.4.

My fault, I meant 2.11 (which is the current stable).

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