Re: [Zope-dev] Conform to repository policy.
On May 6, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: Christian Theune has already mentioned that the inclusion of the author check in his script was a misunderstanding. If you did not see that message already it's here: https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2010-April/040223.html Can we now please stop changing the author information? Otherwise, let me just repeat the question I already asked and Christian answered. Can you point us to the Zope Foundation bylaws or a policy document that requires this? I cannot find this in a contributor agreement. Best regards, 'Zope Corporation and Contributors' is not a reasonable value for author here, as ZC has transferred all copyrights to the foundation. Copyright and author are two different things. ZF has the copyright. We signed that in the contributor agreement. Why exactly is Zope Foundation and Contributors a more reasonable value? When has Zope Foundation written a piece of code? If you as the originial author of zope.minmax wanted to update it to have your own name, and set the maintainer to 'Zope Foundation and Contributors', that would be OK with me, personally. If I wanted to put my name on it I would have done it in the initial release. I was fine with having ZC as author there. However, what you or I are fine with, personally, absolutely does not matter. What matters is whether something is right or wrong. However, until the ZF repository commmittee (Christian, acting for the board) updates the zope.repositorypolicy checker and fixer scripts, I'm going to check in changes which comply with the policy as spelled out in those scripts. So, basically you are saying that we are going to follow an admittedly wrong unilateral decision until somebody finds the time to change it? Why are we so quick to follow that policy and so slow in changing it? BTW, you still did not answer my question. Can you point us to the Zope Foundation bylaws or a policy *document* that requires this? I cannot find this in a contributor agreement. I'm sorry, but I just cannot accept a script as a legal document. Best regards, Zvezdan ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Conform to repository policy.
On 05/06/2010 03:44 PM, Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: On May 6, 2010, at 9:09 AM, Tres Seaver wrote: Christian Theune has already mentioned that the inclusion of the author check in his script was a misunderstanding. If you did not see that message already it's here: https://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2010-April/040223.html Can we now please stop changing the author information? Otherwise, let me just repeat the question I already asked and Christian answered. Can you point us to the Zope Foundation bylaws or a policy document that requires this? I cannot find this in a contributor agreement. Best regards, 'Zope Corporation and Contributors' is not a reasonable value for author here, as ZC has transferred all copyrights to the foundation. Copyright and author are two different things. ZF has the copyright. We signed that in the contributor agreement. Why exactly is Zope Foundation and Contributors a more reasonable value? When has Zope Foundation written a piece of code? If you as the originial author of zope.minmax wanted to update it to have your own name, and set the maintainer to 'Zope Foundation and Contributors', that would be OK with me, personally. If I wanted to put my name on it I would have done it in the initial release. I was fine with having ZC as author there. However, what you or I are fine with, personally, absolutely does not matter. What matters is whether something is right or wrong. However, until the ZF repository commmittee (Christian, acting for the board) updates the zope.repositorypolicy checker and fixer scripts, I'm going to check in changes which comply with the policy as spelled out in those scripts. So, basically you are saying that we are going to follow an admittedly wrong unilateral decision until somebody finds the time to change it? Why are we so quick to follow that policy and so slow in changing it? BTW, you still did not answer my question. Can you point us to the Zope Foundation bylaws or a policy *document* that requires this? I cannot find this in a contributor agreement. I'm sorry, but I just cannot accept a script as a legal document. You're right. And I was slow and laggy. The change is in. It's been a mis-assumption on my side to think author information being equal to copyright ownership and I fixed that in the script. Christian -- Christian Theune · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 0 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Conform to repository policy.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zvezdan Petkovic wrote: Copyright and author are two different things. ZF has the copyright. We signed that in the contributor agreement. Why exactly is Zope Foundation and Contributors a more reasonable value? When has Zope Foundation written a piece of code? I don't recall any corporation writing any code either: developers write code. In particular, you (Zvezdan) wrote the original zope.minmax implementation (or else you were in violation of the contributor agreement when you checked it in). As your employer, Zope Corporation authorizes you as a contributor to do so, but it isn't an author in any sense that matters outside its historical, no-longer-obtaining role as the copyright holder. Since Christian has fixed the script to stop enforcing any particular value in the author field, feel free to update it: I would prefer to have the actual developer's name there, but if you truly feel it should be Zope Corporation, then that's OK by me. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkvizIYACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4oqACgmLUFqhGDeQGcmMbkBrsyY0WS kj0AnRVgjLTCto4/z+LVU7dER/7Rq9kB =/B+B -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Conform to repository policy.
On May 6, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Christian Theune wrote: You're right. And I was slow and laggy. The change is in. It's been a mis-assumption on my side to think author information being equal to copyright ownership and I fixed that in the script. Thank you. Zvezdan ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
