Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
It sounds strange. The site is set as public. I have tested with different browsers without login and I could download files. Google account should not be required. Do you mean you cannot see the listing of files when you accessed to that URL in your browser? Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
Hi Takeshi, I can see the listing but when I click on a file download link I get a page saying insufficient privileges. You must be logged in to view this page. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:27, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: It sounds strange. The site is set as public. I have tested with different browsers without login and I could download files. Google account should not be required. Do you mean you cannot see the listing of files when you accessed to that URL in your browser? Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
Hi Jens, I am afraid that if you are clicking the v.2 link instead of download link. The download link is located just under the file name per file. Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Hi Takeshi, I can see the listing but when I click on a file download link I get a page saying insufficient privileges. You must be logged in to view this page. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:27, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: It sounds strange. The site is set as public. I have tested with different browsers without login and I could download files. Google account should not be required. Do you mean you cannot see the listing of files when you accessed to that URL in your browser? Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
Thanks Takeshi, that was the problem. I never clicked that link because on the iPad it shows up in Japanese letters so I had no idea what it was. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 12:43, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jens, I am afraid that if you are clicking the v.2 link instead of download link. The download link is located just under the file name per file. Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Hi Takeshi, I can see the listing but when I click on a file download link I get a page saying insufficient privileges. You must be logged in to view this page. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:27, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: It sounds strange. The site is set as public. I have tested with different browsers without login and I could download files. Google account should not be required. Do you mean you cannot see the listing of files when you accessed to that URL in your browser? Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
Jens, Thanks a lot for detail description. I have changed the display language. Now it is shown as Download. I could fix it. I assumed these messages are displayed in browser's language, but it was wrong. On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:50 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Thanks Takeshi, that was the problem. I never clicked that link because on the iPad it shows up in Japanese letters so I had no idea what it was. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 12:43, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: Hi Jens, I am afraid that if you are clicking the v.2 link instead of download link. The download link is located just under the file name per file. Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 7:07 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Hi Takeshi, I can see the listing but when I click on a file download link I get a page saying insufficient privileges. You must be logged in to view this page. jens On Jul 18, 2010, at 11:27, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: It sounds strange. The site is set as public. I have tested with different browsers without login and I could download files. Google account should not be required. Do you mean you cannot see the listing of files when you accessed to that URL in your browser? Takeshi On Jul 18, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Jens Vagelpohl wrote: I cannot access the files. Apparently you must have a Google account and log in :-( jens On Jul 17, 2010, at 19:26, Takeshi Yamamoto t...@mac.com wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Regards, Takeshi Yamamoto ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] IRC meeting summaries from 2010-07-13 and 2010-07-06
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Takeshi Yamamoto wrote: On Jul 16, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Christian Theune wrote: - We need to deal with the fact that some projects in svn.zope.org are likely abandoned and we need to deal with it. Initially we will start annotating the repository policy report with 'last checkin time' and 'frequent committers' to allow everyone to scan through the rather large report and check for projects that they are interested in. I hope my recent survey could help this activity. Please download and take a look for a first couple of files at this location. URL: http://www.retsu.info/files File1: calc3CsvProjCommitterAcct.xlsx File2: calc3CsvProjPatch.xlsx The first Excel data shows you how 779 projects are patched by commit action. Since one commit action could have several patch action against several different projects, the number is counted based on patch(modify, add, rename, delete) action instead of commit. This will help you to determine which projects are active and which are not active recently. The second Excel data has the patch count per committer per project. The patch count per project per committer is also available as you may find several worksheets in it. This will help you to determine the maintainers for a specific project and how many patches the person committed. Other two files, calc3.py and zopeSvnLog2.log.zip files are downloadable for the person who wants to try to do it by oneself. Just make a temporary directory, put these two files, unzip log file, run calc3.py with ./calc3.py or python calc3.py, open generated txt files with Excel or OpenOffice.org, then sort/summarize/making chart etc within spreadsheets. Just for your info: * We(Me, Yuta, Ryosuke) have translated Philipp's Web Component Development with Zope 3 book into Japanese. First half was published last year, and later half was published a week ago. http://www.springer.jp/discipline/computerscience/ * The last file on the download page, a zipped Excel files shows Zope developers world is growing continuously over past 14 years. The code making activity is continuously growing. Mailing list activity is also active though it was shrunk from the bubble. This number is based on commit, not patch since this does not concern project. Thank you very much for posting these summaries: I found them most interesting. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkxB7n0ACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ7cqwCeKAd2PE2y/ypVoHR1C7eZWKK2 GLQAoNkfVhlJAFIeA4S5DA8j2uuWbjmt =Ydzt -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
