Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: rip twisted integration out of Zope2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > On 18.09.09 18:18, Tres Seaver wrote: >> Andreas Jung wrote: >>> On 18.09.09 17:56, Tres Seaver wrote: Two modules do a really complicated and ugly conditional import >> dance to try and make twisted availabe as an alternative to ZServer. >>> Can you explain a bit more? I propose we nuke that dance on the Zope trunk: at this point, we should prefer to do WSGI well, and leave integrating a specific external server >> out of the core. >>> You mean dropping the ZServer and Medusa? >> No, I mean dropping the experimental twisted alternative. ZServer is >> battle-hardened, well-supported, and shouldn't need to be pulled out: >> it allows for "standalone" use of Zope without any external integration. >> >> IIRC, the twisted integration code was added because Jim wanted us to >> "get out of the server business." At this point, I think that folks >> wanting an alternative to ZServer should focus on using WSGI to >> integrate with the server of their choice; we should make that as easy >> / smooth as possible, and ditch the (undermaintained / icky / old) >> twisted integration. >> > I totally agree with your observation and consider the Twisted integration > as mission-failed. Nothing objections from my side. If you don't see > objections by others, just go ahead. "He's dead, Jim." Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKs+O2+gerLs4ltQ4RAmZMAKDT/7LqJj3YH+l81G+KcjOBvdIF5ACfd7gs XKXYCFS6z5SW9MyohX+BE8U= =S/Sa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: rip twisted integration out of Zope2
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >> IIRC, the twisted integration code was added because Jim wanted us to >> "get out of the server business." At this point, I think that folks >> wanting an alternative to ZServer should focus on using WSGI to >> integrate with the server of their choice; we should make that as easy >> / smooth as possible, and ditch the (undermaintained / icky / old) >> twisted integration. >> > I totally agree with your observation and consider the Twisted integration > as mission-failed. Nothing objections from my side. If you don't see > objections by others, just go ahead. IIRC, the twisted integration actually runs a WSGI server. But then again, my memory fooled me more than once this week alone. -- Sidnei ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: rip twisted integration out of Zope2
On 18.09.09 18:18, Tres Seaver wrote: > Andreas Jung wrote: > > On 18.09.09 17:56, Tres Seaver wrote: > >> Two modules do a really complicated and ugly conditional import > dance to > >> try and make twisted availabe as an alternative to ZServer. > > Can you explain a bit more? > > >> I propose > >> we nuke that dance on the Zope trunk: at this point, we should prefer > >> to do WSGI well, and leave integrating a specific external server > out of > >> the core. > > You mean dropping the ZServer and Medusa? > > No, I mean dropping the experimental twisted alternative. ZServer is > battle-hardened, well-supported, and shouldn't need to be pulled out: > it allows for "standalone" use of Zope without any external integration. > > IIRC, the twisted integration code was added because Jim wanted us to > "get out of the server business." At this point, I think that folks > wanting an alternative to ZServer should focus on using WSGI to > integrate with the server of their choice; we should make that as easy > / smooth as possible, and ditch the (undermaintained / icky / old) > twisted integration. > I totally agree with your observation and consider the Twisted integration as mission-failed. Nothing objections from my side. If you don't see objections by others, just go ahead. Andreas <>___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: rip twisted integration out of Zope2
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Andreas Jung wrote: > On 18.09.09 17:56, Tres Seaver wrote: >> Two modules do a really complicated and ugly conditional import dance to >> try and make twisted availabe as an alternative to ZServer. > Can you explain a bit more? > >> I propose >> we nuke that dance on the Zope trunk: at this point, we should prefer >> to do WSGI well, and leave integrating a specific external server out of >> the core. > You mean dropping the ZServer and Medusa? No, I mean dropping the experimental twisted alternative. ZServer is battle-hardened, well-supported, and shouldn't need to be pulled out: it allows for "standalone" use of Zope without any external integration. IIRC, the twisted integration code was added because Jim wanted us to "get out of the server business." At this point, I think that folks wanting an alternative to ZServer should focus on using WSGI to integrate with the server of their choice; we should make that as easy / smooth as possible, and ditch the (undermaintained / icky / old) twisted integration. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFKs7Ll+gerLs4ltQ4RAgCrAJwK7m7KWh3gKEUQOn4Hor4I82SRhQCginN2 649lwD37oNTiDv9nePR5spI= =kcsj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Proposal: rip twisted integration out of Zope2
On 18.09.09 17:56, Tres Seaver wrote: > Two modules do a really complicated and ugly conditional import dance to > try and make twisted availabe as an alternative to ZServer. Can you explain a bit more? > I propose > we nuke that dance on the Zope trunk: at this point, we should prefer > to do WSGI well, and leave integrating a specific external server out of > the core. You mean dropping the ZServer and Medusa? Andreas <>___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
