Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Ivo van der Wijk wrote: I currently don't feel experienced enough to fix anything about this (but pointers are welcome). Does anyone have suggestions/proposals how developer friendlyness might be improved? I think the main difficulty is configuration. Actually, the word configuration makes it

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Ivo van der Wijk
On 5/29/05, Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ivo van der Wijk wrote: I currently don't feel experienced enough to fix anything about this (but pointers are welcome). Does anyone have suggestions/proposals how developer friendlyness might be improved? I think the main difficulty is

Re: [Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-29 Thread Shane Hathaway
Ivo van der Wijk wrote: Still, this doesn't solve the masking of errors/tracebacks by PageTemplates/ZCML -- I'd really like to see a fix for this. Rally behind PEP 344, because I think it will lead to a good solution to this problem. If I understand PEP 344 correctly, in the PageTemplate code

[Zope3-dev] Making Zope3 more (newbie) developer friendly

2005-05-28 Thread Ivo van der Wijk
Hi All, My current impression as a Zope3 newbie developer is that Zope3 can be an enourmous joy to develop with, but it can also be really frustrating. The frustration is mostly caused by cryptic or sometimes irrelevant errors and stacktraces. Several situations I ran into: - lots of zcml