Re: [Zope3-dev] AW: Proposal, free views
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote at 2007-9-25 18:49 +0200: ... I think we should just not raise any deprecation warnings at all. Just the imports for BBB and be done with it. I like this very much :-) -- Dieter ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] AW: Proposal, free views
On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 01:13:00AM +0200, Roger Ineichen wrote: I think we will split packages in its base parts. For exapmle this means we will create a package zope.session that contains the python api and degrade zope.app.session to contain the zmi views. Personally, I think this is the way to go. i.e. to separate the UI from the python API in separate eggs. That way the python API egg can have relatively few dependencies, and thus be more useful to more people. The UI egg is then useful to whoever wants to bring in all the dependencies and conform to the UI. It's very strange the way Zope3 mixes high-level code (css, html, pagetemplates) with low-level python APIs. Basically forcing you to have (and manage) lots of dependencies even if you only want the python API. -- Brian Sutherland ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] AW: Proposal, free views
On 25 Sep 2007, at 18:41 , Brian Sutherland wrote: On Mon, Sep 24, 2007 at 01:13:00AM +0200, Roger Ineichen wrote: I think we will split packages in its base parts. For exapmle this means we will create a package zope.session that contains the python api and degrade zope.app.session to contain the zmi views. Personally, I think this is the way to go. i.e. to separate the UI from the python API in separate eggs. That way the python API egg can have relatively few dependencies, and thus be more useful to more people. The UI egg is then useful to whoever wants to bring in all the dependencies and conform to the UI. It's very strange the way Zope3 mixes high-level code (css, html, pagetemplates) with low-level python APIs. Basically forcing you to have (and manage) lots of dependencies even if you only want the python API. After pondering about a while, I think this is probably a very good solution. It should help us reduce the package interdependencies quite a lot, at least on the Python-only level. It should also add meaning back to the zope.app namespace. Note that I've seen checkins that add deprecation warnings. Even worse, they're talking about removing stuff in the future. I thought we had reached the consensus that we weren't going to remove stuff anymore. In other words, that we were never ever going to break backwards-compatibility again. I think we should just not raise any deprecation warnings at all. Just the imports for BBB and be done with it. ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Zope3-dev] AW: Proposal, free views
On Sep 25, 2007, at 12:49 PM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: ... Note that I've seen checkins that add deprecation warnings. Even worse, they're talking about removing stuff in the future. I thought we had reached the consensus that we weren't going to remove stuff anymore. In other words, that we were never ever going to break backwards-compatibility again. I think we should just not raise any deprecation warnings at all. Just the imports for BBB and be done with it. We said we would only break backward compatibility under dire circumstances. :) I think that deprecation warnings are fine to let people know This isn't the way you should be doing this. That other way is better. It helps people use packages according to the state of the art, which will continue to evolve and it will make developers feel better, which is worth something. :) Also, if we ever *do* need to make a backward-incompatible change to a package, we'll have some license to clean up rotten apis. Jim -- Jim Fulton Zope Corporation ___ Zope3-dev mailing list Zope3-dev@zope.org Unsub: http://mail.zope.org/mailman/options/zope3-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
