[Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Michael Haubenwallner

Christian Theune wrote:


On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:33 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:

'Refresh' should be called 'Reset' -- in fact resetting the form 
contents to the original loaded values

('Reset' is also the buttons default value displayed in the browser)



Well. That's not what the button currently does. When I click on it, it
does a page reload. A form reset does this without.

Then, I also don't see many 'reset' buttons nowadays. And I don't miss
them. After all, I'm not sure in which order I would want them.



Should have been resolved as by this Issue
http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/467

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
Hi,

On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:39 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
 Christian Theune wrote:
 
  On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:33 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:
  
 'Refresh' should be called 'Reset' -- in fact resetting the form 
 contents to the original loaded values
 ('Reset' is also the buttons default value displayed in the browser)
  
  
  Well. That's not what the button currently does. When I click on it, it
  does a page reload. A form reset does this without.
  
  Then, I also don't see many 'reset' buttons nowadays. And I don't miss
  them. After all, I'm not sure in which order I would want them.
  
 
 Should have been resolved as by this Issue
 http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/467

A grep through the src/ directory lists me only one occurance where it
was changed to 'reset':

app/dublincore/browser/edit.pt

Whereas quite some more have the old behaviour:

app/demo/widget/browser/popup.pt:65: 
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/zptpage/browser/inlinecode.pt:64:
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/schemacontent/browser/permission_edit.pt:33:
input type=submit value=Refresh
app/workflow/stateful/browser/definition_edit.pt:24:
input type=submit value=Refresh
app/workflow/stateful/browser/definition_edit.pt:51:
input type=submit value=Refresh
app/workflow/stateful/browser/instance_manage.pt:74:
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/pythonpage/edit.pt:70:
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/error/browser/error.pt:53:
input type=submit name=submit value=Refresh 
app/apidoc/browser/prefIndex.pt:118:
input type=submit value=Refresh
app/preference/index.pt:14:
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/preference/edit.pt:112:
input type=submit value=Refresh 
app/component/browser/editregistration.pt:48:
input type=submit name=refresh_submit value=Refresh
app/form/browser/edit.pt:53:
input type=submit value=Refresh 

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Tonico Strasser

Christian Theune wrote:

Hi,

is there a chance we can get rid of the Refresh button on the standard
forms? Every now and then, I hit the wrong one. And I do not see a clear
need for the refresh.


+1 on getting rid of the refresh button.

What others say about reset (refresh?) buttons:
http://www.useit.com/alertbox/2416.html
http://www.joeclark.org/book/sashay/serialization/Chapter12.html#h5-1380

Tonico

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Alexander Limi
On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:39:41 -0800, Michael Haubenwallner [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



Christian Theune wrote:


On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:33 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote:

'Refresh' should be called 'Reset' -- in fact resetting the form  
contents to the original loaded values

('Reset' is also the buttons default value displayed in the browser)
  Well. That's not what the button currently does. When I click on it,  
it

does a page reload. A form reset does this without.
 Then, I also don't see many 'reset' buttons nowadays. And I don't miss
them. After all, I'm not sure in which order I would want them.



Should have been resolved as by this Issue
http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/467


Good peoples!

Please don't include the Reset functionality in HTML forms. It is  
absolutely useless, and is considered one of the classic usability  
mistakes. Just say no, kids!


Seriously.

http://www.useit.com/alertbox/2416.html

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[Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Martin Aspeli

On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:02 -, Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Please don't include the Reset functionality in HTML forms. It is  
absolutely useless, and is considered one of the classic usability  
mistakes. Just say no, kids!


Agreed. Hands up anyone who ever clicked one?

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Christian Theune
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 20:47 +, Martin Aspeli wrote:
 On Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:02 -, Alexander Limi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Please don't include the Reset functionality in HTML forms. It is  
  absolutely useless, and is considered one of the classic usability  
  mistakes. Just say no, kids!
 
 Agreed. Hands up anyone who ever clicked one?

I did. That's why I'm posting. I had to go through that form again. :)

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Re: [Zope3-dev] Re: Refresh / Change-Buttons

2006-01-27 Thread Fred Drake
On 1/27/06, Christian Theune [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I did. That's why I'm posting. I had to go through that form again. :)

Even worse, those are the first submit button for many pages, so
that's what gets submitted when you hit Enter.  That's even easier
to do than clicking the button itself.

+1 to remove the sucka's.


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