Re: [Zope3-Users] zc.buildout with Zope 2

2007-01-12 Thread Jim Fulton

Martin Aspeli wrote:
...
This may not be the right place for this question, but I'm wondering if 
anyone has experience or examples using zc.buildout with Zope 2.


I don't.  I'm using the immediate predecessor of zc.buildout
for zope Zope 2 projects though.

It seems a useful solution and one that will increase in importance, 
though so far I've not yet fully grasped what it does or how I use it in 
my brief encounters with it.


buildouts are about automating application assembly and installation.
They are somewhat like make in that regard, although they tend to work
at a higher level.  (In fact, our earlier buildouts were built using
make.)

A secondary benefit of zc.buildout is that it provides tools for
leveraging eggs in a much more controlled way that is allowed
by easy_install.  This will be helpful to Zope 2 in the future
especially as Zope 3 is split into eggs.

I'm wondering whether it is something I should pursue further in the 
context of Plone development (targeting primarily Zope 2.10 for now), 
but I don't know if it's even relevant to that platform or if this is 
unchartered territory.


Suggestions?


The predecessors of zc.buildout have been used for Zope 2 applications
for several years at ZC.

BTW, if you want to learn more about zc.buildout, then a good way would
be to attend the minitutorial I'll be giving at PyCon nect month:

  http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/TutorialsAM#AM7

Jim

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Re: [Zope3-Users] zc.buildout with Zope 2

2007-01-12 Thread Martin Aspeli



Jim Fulton wrote:
 
 This may not be the right place for this question, but I'm wondering if 
 anyone has experience or examples using zc.buildout with Zope 2.
 
 I don't.  I'm using the immediate predecessor of zc.buildout
 for zope Zope 2 projects though.
 

Is this internal only?



 
 It seems a useful solution and one that will increase in importance, 
 though so far I've not yet fully grasped what it does or how I use it in 
 my brief encounters with it.
 
 buildouts are about automating application assembly and installation.
 They are somewhat like make in that regard, although they tend to work
 at a higher level.  (In fact, our earlier buildouts were built using
 make.)
 
 A secondary benefit of zc.buildout is that it provides tools for
 leveraging eggs in a much more controlled way that is allowed
 by easy_install.  This will be helpful to Zope 2 in the future
 especially as Zope 3 is split into eggs.
 

Would it be helpful at the moment as well? Or are there too many rough edges
in terms of lacking egg-ification $SOFTWARE_HOMEs and $INSTANCE_HOMEs that
make it non-trivial to use this in Zope 2 projects?



 BTW, if you want to learn more about zc.buildout, then a good way would
 be to attend the minitutorial I'll be giving at PyCon nect month:
 
http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/TutorialsAM#AM7
 

Bit far for me to travel, but good luck :)

Martin

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Re: [Zope3-Users] zc.buildout with Zope 2

2007-01-12 Thread Benji York

Martin Aspeli wrote:

Jim Fulton wrote:
This may not be the right place for this question, but I'm wondering if 
anyone has experience or examples using zc.buildout with Zope 2.

I don't.  I'm using the immediate predecessor of zc.buildout
for zope Zope 2 projects though.



Is this internal only?


No, we put a version in the sandbox 
(http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/zc/buildout/trunk/) a little over a year 
ago, and I could update that version if you want, but I doubt you will; 
 it is woefully under-documented and not that easy to get into.


You'd probably be better off digging into zc.buildout.
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[Zope3-Users] zc.buildout with Zope 2

2007-01-11 Thread Martin Aspeli

Hi guys,

This may not be the right place for this question, but I'm wondering if 
anyone has experience or examples using zc.buildout with Zope 2.


It seems a useful solution and one that will increase in importance, 
though so far I've not yet fully grasped what it does or how I use it in 
my brief encounters with it.


I'm wondering whether it is something I should pursue further in the 
context of Plone development (targeting primarily Zope 2.10 for now), 
but I don't know if it's even relevant to that platform or if this is 
unchartered territory.


Suggestions?

Martin

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