Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
On 2/24/11 15:14 PM, Milind Khadilkar wrote: > There is also some sense of "solidity" (apart from awe) about Zope3 > which I do not get with Grok. Could you elaborate on that "sense"? Again, that's out of curiosity of your perspective on Grok (you knew I was biased, right :) ) Perhaps even, you could express grok-specific concerns you might have on the grok mailinglist too? Hmm, even though it might be useful for the zope-users list as well, anyway... I'm still interested :) regards, jw ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
Thanks, Jan-W Because we already have taken pains on Zope3 configuration for them, intending to port them to Zope3:). We did not get there though. Actually, these applications are fairly intricate in terms of the domain issues they handle. We feel good knowledge of the inner structure of these applications would be good for developers to have... Zope3 would "force" them to have that, I suppose. There is also some sense of "solidity" (apart from awe) about Zope3 which I do not get with Grok. But all this is based on my extremely limited understanding of the three platforms today, compounded by a hazier understanding of the two platforms of yesteryears. So I am likely to be totally wrong and am open to knowing better. Thanks, again. On 2/24/11, Jan-Wijbrand Kolman wrote: > On 2/24/11 2:17 AM, Milind Khadilkar wrote: >> We are planning to rebuild the smaller ones from scratch, using Grok. >> >> The four larger ones we would like to migrate to Zope 2.11 using Python >> 2.6 (or to Blue Bream, maybe) >> >> We have one application in Zope 3.1 which we would probably extend >> further in Zope 3.4 or Blue Bream. > > Out of curiosity - and I'm biased of course ;) - what leads you to > consider Grok for the *smaller* apps and not so much for the bigger apps? > > kind regards, jw > > ___ > Zope3-users mailing list > Zope3-users@zope.org > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
On 2/24/11 2:17 AM, Milind Khadilkar wrote: > We are planning to rebuild the smaller ones from scratch, using Grok. > > The four larger ones we would like to migrate to Zope 2.11 using Python > 2.6 (or to Blue Bream, maybe) > > We have one application in Zope 3.1 which we would probably extend > further in Zope 3.4 or Blue Bream. Out of curiosity - and I'm biased of course ;) - what leads you to consider Grok for the *smaller* apps and not so much for the bigger apps? kind regards, jw ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2/24/11 02:17 , Milind Khadilkar wrote: > The least we want to do is to reinstall the old work in a manner that we > (especially the new programmers with us) would get to see it and take a > decision on each application separately. If there is a way we can install > the applications using the current Zope versions, we would love it. As Andreas said, *no one* can give you any sensible help with the information you provide. You should do the following: - install your applications into a later version of Zope - start it up and look for error messages or site breakage - come back to z...@zope.org (for Zope2) with specific errors you see. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) iEYEARECAAYFAk1mDxQACgkQRAx5nvEhZLJpEQCfWjOlSCr1z0zhinpYVZ1vIKMN iuwAn2H3L2zFuxzJFp8jKk//1ogTxr8O =BVmf -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
Thanks, Andreas. Actually we are looking for very generic answers, even hints, at this stage looking for a starting point, so to say. Something that would help us commence our study. Our applications have mostly been small web based application prototypes which were meant to showcase Zope and our work in specific end-user domains and addressed small end-user problems. The aesthetics of the applications were, by and large, secondary. They were not websites and we had commenced them in 2.x because Zope 3 was not ready at that time. They were commenced in the period 2001-2004 and maintained through 2006-8. Had we written them *today*, from scratch, we would have used Grok, probably. The development and deployment environments were MS Windows versions of the time. Now we plan to use Linux almost exclusively. Most of them used DTML rather than ZPTs. Most used script(python) extensively. Some used ZODB exclusively, while a few others used RDBMSs alongside. None of them used ZEO They used third party Zope products very rarely One application used SVG extensively. Two applications were 3 person-years of effort, two others a one person-year of effort, and others were smaller. We are planning to rebuild the smaller ones from scratch, using Grok. The four larger ones we would like to migrate to Zope 2.11 using Python 2.6 (or to Blue Bream, maybe) We have one application in Zope 3.1 which we would probably extend further in Zope 3.4 or Blue Bream. What we have of them are .zexp and .fs files and some installation documentation. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- The least we want to do is to reinstall the old work in a manner that we (especially the new programmers with us) would get to see it and take a decision on each application separately. If there is a way we can install the applications using the current Zope versions, we would love it. Thanks and regards Milind Khadilkar, ZedObject On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:05 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Those are broad questions that can not be answered seriously if you > don't tell us about the kind of application you have built in the past > with Zope and what kind of applications you intend to buildout with > Zope-ish technlogy in the future. > > - -aj > > Milind Khadilkar wrote: > > Hello everybody, > > > > We have used Zope a few years ago... had to stop rather abruptly... and > > now are attempting to get back into using Zope. > > > > Most of the work we have done is in Zope 2.7.x, while some work dates > > from much earlier versions. > > > > Is it right that we would need to install the *exactly* original Zope > > versions ( or is it *major* original Zope version?) to get our old work > > up and running? > > > > If we want to reuse that work in Zope 2.13 and continue from there, is > > there a transition path without installing old versions? > > > > We also have some work in Zope 3.1. Should we go in for BlueBream now? > > > > What should be the Zope2 learning path for new entrants (fresh out of > > college, with fair Python knowledge)? > > > > Advise would be highly appreciated. > > > > With Thanks. > > > > Milind Khadilkar > > ZedObject > > > > ___ > > Zope3-users mailing list > > Zope3-users@zope.org > > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users > > > - -- > ZOPYX Limited | zopyx group > Charlottenstr. 37/1 | The full-service network for Zope & Plone > D-72070 Tübingen| Produce & Publish > www.zopyx.com | www.produce-and-publish.com > - > E-Publishing, Python, Zope & Plone development, Consulting > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNY5FgAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjFJ0LwKJjmohoVhBjUE+ycmvm1Pf7 > W2ETn5Gw9aHODn4LaQ/Gf2lL/RB8lAC/+Wrv56vImy92goXHK8TBjr96RfK+WEMO > RZJteC3HzoU/eU/rfXlWVWn/iDhn3vvPe9yd/dcZDepx/E6XrucLEP4BiDx9f5UK > N1UiF06W66pfG4SIwCs5slglwTzr612DHfjvLPyDF+tV/L/2+yCcZYXSNByE+0Jd > 2F+QbShj+B74DQICZ6ksuHWvU4PA2WFl4FY8tRnYdbSWJqsV9Cncsjl1l0Fp94c4 > VQtOeru91VWy7mH/acZp97k5i8UyfQLRGSOdiavZkxtJ9SOONn3hEqmCbhdfhx/7 > fS8EkUCX7e27rkWV3XCcvDBx/iaSBA5rbpVzmVyeR6CvdxgNq/8OW0Y40Bqk1Xku > xRZHsOmF08IfVEo6oQfNcl9cwp9ROuNHzbfpeND8gnKoq/Of1F7tsDIvBjFv0VSf > +b9s5NVVZPDcInuKPUWgB7JJnUWov94= > =qtAv > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
Re: [Zope3-Users] Resuming Zope use
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Those are broad questions that can not be answered seriously if you don't tell us about the kind of application you have built in the past with Zope and what kind of applications you intend to buildout with Zope-ish technlogy in the future. - -aj Milind Khadilkar wrote: > Hello everybody, > > We have used Zope a few years ago... had to stop rather abruptly... and > now are attempting to get back into using Zope. > > Most of the work we have done is in Zope 2.7.x, while some work dates > from much earlier versions. > > Is it right that we would need to install the *exactly* original Zope > versions ( or is it *major* original Zope version?) to get our old work > up and running? > > If we want to reuse that work in Zope 2.13 and continue from there, is > there a transition path without installing old versions? > > We also have some work in Zope 3.1. Should we go in for BlueBream now? > > What should be the Zope2 learning path for new entrants (fresh out of > college, with fair Python knowledge)? > > Advise would be highly appreciated. > > With Thanks. > > Milind Khadilkar > ZedObject > > ___ > Zope3-users mailing list > Zope3-users@zope.org > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users - -- ZOPYX Limited | zopyx group Charlottenstr. 37/1 | The full-service network for Zope & Plone D-72070 Tübingen| Produce & Publish www.zopyx.com | www.produce-and-publish.com - E-Publishing, Python, Zope & Plone development, Consulting -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQGUBAEBAgAGBQJNY5FgAAoJEADcfz7u4AZjFJ0LwKJjmohoVhBjUE+ycmvm1Pf7 W2ETn5Gw9aHODn4LaQ/Gf2lL/RB8lAC/+Wrv56vImy92goXHK8TBjr96RfK+WEMO RZJteC3HzoU/eU/rfXlWVWn/iDhn3vvPe9yd/dcZDepx/E6XrucLEP4BiDx9f5UK N1UiF06W66pfG4SIwCs5slglwTzr612DHfjvLPyDF+tV/L/2+yCcZYXSNByE+0Jd 2F+QbShj+B74DQICZ6ksuHWvU4PA2WFl4FY8tRnYdbSWJqsV9Cncsjl1l0Fp94c4 VQtOeru91VWy7mH/acZp97k5i8UyfQLRGSOdiavZkxtJ9SOONn3hEqmCbhdfhx/7 fS8EkUCX7e27rkWV3XCcvDBx/iaSBA5rbpVzmVyeR6CvdxgNq/8OW0Y40Bqk1Xku xRZHsOmF08IfVEo6oQfNcl9cwp9ROuNHzbfpeND8gnKoq/Of1F7tsDIvBjFv0VSf +b9s5NVVZPDcInuKPUWgB7JJnUWov94= =qtAv -END PGP SIGNATURE- <>___ Zope3-users mailing list Zope3-users@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users
