Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Bizzarri wrote: > I won't start a religious war on IDE editors :) Perhaps making your requirment clear without provocative side-comments would have been more in line with your intent: just naming Eclipse+PyDev, for instance (familiarity with any other IDE is unlikely to help with the learning curve issues you describe). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkw9t4AACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ6ZYQCfeYmT8Kr6E51JEH2udXd9VLCE ejIAniJMLjJQodnzLcU4rFGQKREZCA+o =opQL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
Peter Bengtsson wrote: > Anyway, best of luck Marco! Yes, you're gonna need it ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On 13 July 2010 11:20, Marco Bizzarri wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Chris Withers > wrote: >> >> Marco Bizzarri wrote: >>> >>> I won't start a religious war on IDE editors :) >> >> You already did by putting such a ridiculous requirement in a job ad. >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting >> - http://www.simplistix.co.uk > > > > As I said before, I've no interest in starting such a war; you find this is > a ridiculous requirement: fine, you're more than entitled to have your > opinion. > I think what the senior developers react to here isn't the particular choice. You could have written "Vim is preferred" and people would still think: "Do they want me to write with my left or right hand or do they want me to get the job done". Anyway, best of luck Marco! > Regards > Marco > -- > Marco Bizzarri > http://code.google.com/p/qt-asterisk/ > http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/ > http://iliveinpisa.blogspot.com/ > > ___ > Zope maillist - z...@zope.org > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > -- Peter Bengtsson, work www.fry-it.com home www.peterbe.com hobby www.issuetrackerproduct.com fun crosstips.org ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Chris Withers wrote: > Marco Bizzarri wrote: > >> >> I won't start a religious war on IDE editors :) >> > > You already did by putting such a ridiculous requirement in a job ad. > > Chris > > -- > Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting > - http://www.simplistix.co.uk > As I said before, I've no interest in starting such a war; you find this is a ridiculous requirement: fine, you're more than entitled to have your opinion. Regards Marco -- Marco Bizzarri http://code.google.com/p/qt-asterisk/ http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/ http://iliveinpisa.blogspot.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
Marco Bizzarri wrote: > > I won't start a religious war on IDE editors :) You already did by putting such a ridiculous requirement in a job ad. Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Batch Processing & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:57 PM, Andrew Milton wrote: > +---[ Marco Bizzarri ]-- > | > | Well, it's interesting to see such a reaction; we've seen steep learning > (and adapting) curve from an emacs/vi environment to an > | IDE like Eclipse; since we're a development shop working on Eclipse for > all our projects (Java, PHP, Python), we required > | knowledge and practice of such a tool. > | > | Anyway, I assure no emacs/vi guy got injured in writing this requirement > ;) > > If your IDE is so awful that you need to specifically mention that > your new developers know how to use it, I think you need a new IDE, > because that one is not doing its job d8) > > -- > Andrew Milton > a...@theinternet.com.au > I won't start a religious war on IDE editors :) Regards Marco -- Marco Bizzarri http://code.google.com/p/qt-asterisk/ http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/ http://iliveinpisa.blogspot.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
+---[ Marco Bizzarri ]-- | | Well, it's interesting to see such a reaction; we've seen steep learning (and adapting) curve from an emacs/vi environment to an | IDE like Eclipse; since we're a development shop working on Eclipse for all our projects (Java, PHP, Python), we required | knowledge and practice of such a tool. | | Anyway, I assure no emacs/vi guy got injured in writing this requirement ;) If your IDE is so awful that you need to specifically mention that your new developers know how to use it, I think you need a new IDE, because that one is not doing its job d8) -- Andrew Milton a...@theinternet.com.au ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marco Bizzarri wrote: > > Anyway, I assure no emacs/vi guy got injured in writing this requirement ;) Nope, but we had our morning fun :) Andreas -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkw8WXAACgkQCJIWIbr9KYzf1QCffPZVzp/KYU+82/GQKjtvElDu CaYAoNkFL4w1d6+AZfUqf6njD3Y+4DDr =8tGf -END PGP SIGNATURE- <>___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Kristian Thy wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, Stephan Richter wrote: > > On Tuesday, July 13, 2010, Marco Bizzarri wrote: > > > * IDE tools (emacs does not count as an IDE; vi* neither; > Eclipse+PyDev is > > > preferred); > > > > I am usually not commenting on things like that, but: What a turn off! > This is > > one of the worst requirements I have ever seen. ;-) > > Yeah, that one had me shaking my head as well ... > > \\kristian > -- > ... et nemo ex vobis interrogat me: »Quo vadis?« > > Well, it's interesting to see such a reaction; we've seen steep learning (and adapting) curve from an emacs/vi environment to an IDE like Eclipse; since we're a development shop working on Eclipse for all our projects (Java, PHP, Python), we required knowledge and practice of such a tool. Anyway, I assure no emacs/vi guy got injured in writing this requirement ;) Regards Marco -- Marco Bizzarri http://code.google.com/p/qt-asterisk/ http://notenotturne.blogspot.com/ http://iliveinpisa.blogspot.com/ ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On Tue, Jul 13, Stephan Richter wrote: > On Tuesday, July 13, 2010, Marco Bizzarri wrote: > > * IDE tools (emacs does not count as an IDE; vi* neither; Eclipse+PyDev is > > preferred); > > I am usually not commenting on things like that, but: What a turn off! This > is > one of the worst requirements I have ever seen. ;-) Yeah, that one had me shaking my head as well ... \\kristian -- ... et nemo ex vobis interrogat me: »Quo vadis?« ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
Re: [Zope] [JOB][OT?] Position for a Python/ Zope developer in Pula, Cagliari (CA), Italy
On Tuesday, July 13, 2010, Marco Bizzarri wrote: > * IDE tools (emacs does not count as an IDE; vi* neither; Eclipse+PyDev is > preferred); I am usually not commenting on things like that, but: What a turn off! This is one of the worst requirements I have ever seen. ;-) Regards, Stephan -- Entrepreneur and Software Geek Google me. "Zope Stephan Richter" ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
