Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: There are several production setusp where I use persistent client caches and I've had very few problems with them... I'm sorry, this is not a matter of "agreeing". It is a matter of personally observed facts. Yes, which is exactly what I'm providing ;-) I've seen big b

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-30 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 30 May 2006, at 15:26, Chris Withers wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Persistent caches can introduce odd errors, unfortunately. They can create inconsistencies between what a ZEO client thinks the database state is and what the ZEO server think

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-30 Thread Chris Withers
Jens Vagelpohl wrote: Persistent caches can introduce odd errors, unfortunately. They can create inconsistencies between what a ZEO client thinks the database state is and what the ZEO server thinks. Not recommended for production setups. Don't necessarily agree with this. If the clients get

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-26 Thread Dieter Maurer
Paul Winkler wrote at 2006-5-25 13:05 -0400: > ... >Large files really hurt ZEO performance, both reads (since they're >likely not in the cache, and if they are, they evict lots of other >useful stuff), and for writes. Files use 64 kB chunks -- thus the problem you describe occurs with files I wou

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Dieter Maurer
Brian Brinegar wrote at 2006-5-25 10:49 -0400: > ... >What I would like is some sort of timeout for requests This is very difficult: There is no safe way to abort a thread without its help -- an the thread might be in a condition where it does not recognize that its help is needed (e.g. it

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Paul Winkler
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:49:10AM -0400, Brian Brinegar wrote: > The majority of the Purdue University Engineering web presence is > provided via a cluster running ZEO. We offer hosting for every school, > department, faculty, staff, and student in the College. Because of this > we have a large nu

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Brian Brinegar
Jonathan, We have debated this, however the time necessary to revalidate the cache can be several minutes (maybe more) at startup for a 2 gig cache. If only one client was going down at a time this would not be a problem, however in the event that someone clicks reload until all of the clients are

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Jonathan
: Thursday, May 25, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning? -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Persistent caches can introduce odd errors, unfortunately. They can create inconsistencies between what a ZEO client thinks the database state is and what the ZEO serve

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Persistent caches can introduce odd errors, unfortunately. They can create inconsistencies between what a ZEO client thinks the database state is and what the ZEO server thinks. Not recommended for production setups. jens On 25 May 2006, at

Re: [Zope] Preventing Zope Spinning?

2006-05-25 Thread Jonathan
How about setting up persistent caches for your zeo clients, so that when the zeo server goes down you save some cache-reloading time when it restarts? Jonathan - Original Message - From: "Brian Brinegar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Cc: "David S Carmichael" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Andre