Re: [Zope] Zope 2 and Zope 3

2007-02-14 Thread Andreas Jung



--On 14. Februar 2007 13:18:10 -0800 Geoff Gerrietts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



1. Last time I talked to anyone from Zope Corp, the plan was to quiesce
Zope


Zope is a community project, not a Zope Corp. project. The influence of ZC
on the Zope development process is limited.


2 in favor of Zope 3. At that time, I think I remember people saying
2.9would be the last in the Zope 2 series.


There has never been such an official statement.


Now there's a
2.10, so clearly it wasn't. How long does a business like mine have before
there is no clear upgrade path in the Zope 2 series? Is 2.10 now the final
Zope 2 release, or will there be a 2.11 and 2.12?


Zope 2 will stay there as long as it is needed and used for large-scale 
enterprise installations (this will be the case for a long time).


-aj




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Re: [Zope] Zope 2 and Zope 3

2007-02-14 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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On 14 Feb 2007, at 22:18, Geoff Gerrietts wrote:
1. Last time I talked to anyone from Zope Corp, the plan was to  
quiesce Zope 2 in favor of Zope 3. At that time, I think I remember  
people saying 2.9 would be the last in the Zope 2 series. Now  
there's a 2.10, so clearly it wasn't. How long does a business like  
mine have before there is no clear upgrade path in the Zope 2  
series? Is 2.10 now the final Zope 2 release, or will there be a  
2.11 and 2.12?


Zope Corp ceased to be a determining factor in Zope's future a long  
time ago. You should ask developers and Jim Fulton in his capacity as  
the Zope czar, not some company.



2. Whenever someone asks about moving an existing application from  
Zope 2 to Zope 3, there's a round of flip "oh you'll hafta start  
over" responses. I understand that the two architectures are  
fundamentally different, and that I'll need to rebuild my object  
database, etcetera. Am I also correct in believing that all  
products must be completely rewritten, and that DTML is no longer a  
supported templating language? Has the users/roles/permissions  
security structure disappeared or been supplanted? I am trying to  
ascertain at a glance how much we will need to rebuild for  
ourselves; if it's enough then the problems we have had with Zope  
(poor scaling, poor integration with source control) may outweigh  
the advantages of remaining on the platform.


You must rewrite your application. DTML still exists, but ZPT is  
encouraged. The upgrade path is made less "catastrophic" by the fact  
that you can already integrate more and more Zope 3 technologies into  
your Zope 2 product now. Zope 2 does not have any defined "end of  
life", but you can make your application more future-proof by getting  
acquanted with those Zope 3 bits that are usable from within Zope 2  
today.


jens

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