I may live to regret it, but I'm a Google man (almost) all the way (I haven't yet gotten a Google OS product, and I still use Mozilla-based browsers, and use my old yahoo account for spam-risky activity, but otherwise Google "has me"!) If you move to GG, that "works for me."
On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, <[email protected]>wrote: > Send seattle-python mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.seapig.org/mailman/listinfo/seattle-python > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of seattle-python digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SeaPIG server status (Mike Orr) > 2. Re: SeaPIG server status (James Thiele) > 3. Re: SeaPIG server status (Kevin LaTona) > 4. Re: SeaPIG server status (Mike Orr) > 5. Re: SeaPIG server status (joseph simpson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:36:31 -0700 > From: Mike Orr <[email protected]> > To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status > Message-ID: > <CAH9f=uo919nhv8s48FfjCoXXVP1CwduQK7bu5= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: > > > For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so you > > don't have to worry about issues like disk space? > > > > We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The main > issues are: > > - How many people don't have Google accounts? > - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? > - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling through the > cracks? > - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it ethical to > do so? > - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has > out-of-date cruft going back ten years? > - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the migration > fails or people fall through the cracks? > - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, especially any > that don't practice Total Information Awareness and Ever-Creeping > Marketing? > - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server running and > would like to take this on? > > When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was mediocre and > resistance was present. How do people feel about it now? It would be nice > to get out of the burden of running Mailman and having it be a > must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/a2c82a43/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:42:18 -0700 > From: James Thiele <[email protected]> > To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status > Message-ID: > <CABSNL97yZYW5jpUOPnD=aGUtHL0= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I wouldn't resist, but I'm not enthusiastic. What we have mostly works. I'd > hate to lose any member of the community by moving. Also we have control. I > have a Google account but I swear at them every time they change the email > interface. Who knows if they might move Google Groups to Google+? > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Mike Orr <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so you > >> don't have to worry about issues like disk space? > >> > > > > We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The main > > issues are: > > > > - How many people don't have Google accounts? > > - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? > > - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling through > > the cracks? > > - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it ethical to > > do so? > > - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has > > out-of-date cruft going back ten years? > > - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the migration > > fails or people fall through the cracks? > > - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, especially > > any that don't practice Total Information Awareness and Ever-Creeping > > Marketing? > > - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server running > and > > would like to take this on? > > > > When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was mediocre > and > > resistance was present. How do people feel about it now? It would be > nice > > to get out of the burden of running Mailman and having it be a > > must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Some radio waves were modulated in the creation of this email. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/04bee5e1/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:07:28 -0700 > From: Kevin LaTona <[email protected]> > To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > > Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google > Groups makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. > > Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news > website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. > > He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a > pretty straight forward process to keep it going. > > http://seattlehacks.com/ > > http://seattlehacks.com/submit/ > > > > Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and > moving over to this kind of an idea. > > This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and > it's free as well. > > > > > > -Kevin > > > > On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Mike Orr wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: > > For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so > > you don't have to worry about issues like disk space? > > > > We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The > > main issues are: > > > > - How many people don't have Google accounts? > > - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? > > - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling > > through the cracks? > > - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it > > ethical to do so? > > - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has > > out-of-date cruft going back ten years? > > - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the > > migration fails or people fall through the cracks? > > - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, > > especially any that don't practice Total Information Awareness and > > Ever-Creeping Marketing? > > - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server > > running and would like to take this on? > > > > When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was > > mediocre and resistance was present. How do people feel about it > > now? It would be nice to get out of the burden of running Mailman > > and having it be a must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:32:38 -0700 > From: Mike Orr <[email protected]> > To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status > Message-ID: > <CAH9f= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kevin LaTona <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google Groups > > makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. > > > > Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news > > website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. > > > > He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a > pretty > > straight forward process to keep it going. > > > > http://seattlehacks.com/ > > > > http://seattlehacks.com/**submit/ <http://seattlehacks.com/submit/> > > > > > > > > Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and > > moving over to this kind of an idea. > > > > This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and it's > > free as well. > > > What do others think of this? Or are there other models we should consider? > The SeaPIG organizers could contact Carter and see what kind of > collaboration is feasable. The main issues are making sure we don't lose > our community or alienate members, and that it has equivalents to all the > wiki features we currently use. This probably means we'd need our own > section on the site. Given that Seattle Py (the meetup group) is already > on there, we should have at least a presence there to avoid people's > confusion. ("Are Seattle Py and SeaPIG the same thing?" "Seattle Py is the > only group around.") > > So how was Seattle Hacks started, and how representative it is of the > Seattle developer community? Are there other groups with a similar long > history and community as SeaPIG, that have managed to associate with it > without losing their identity or cohesiveness? If so, who are they and what > kind of association do they have? > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/3cb1a58c/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:38:54 -0700 > From: joseph simpson <[email protected]> > To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status > Message-ID: > <CAPnyebxzkKECU= > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > JoeHey... > > Google Groups is a great service.... > > I use it with other groups and it works fine... > > But Brian Dorsey is not a member of the other groups so it may be > iffy........ ; ) > > > Have fun.. > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Mike Orr <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kevin LaTona <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google > Groups > >> makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. > >> > >> Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news > >> website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. > >> > >> He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a > >> pretty straight forward process to keep it going. > >> > >> http://seattlehacks.com/ > >> > >> http://seattlehacks.com/**submit/ <http://seattlehacks.com/submit/> > >> > >> > >> > >> Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and > >> moving over to this kind of an idea. > >> > >> This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and > it's > >> free as well. > > > > > > What do others think of this? Or are there other models we should > > consider? The SeaPIG organizers could contact Carter and see what kind of > > collaboration is feasable. The main issues are making sure we don't lose > > our community or alienate members, and that it has equivalents to all the > > wiki features we currently use. This probably means we'd need our own > > section on the site. Given that Seattle Py (the meetup group) is already > > on there, we should have at least a presence there to avoid people's > > confusion. ("Are Seattle Py and SeaPIG the same thing?" "Seattle Py is > the > > only group around.") > > > > So how was Seattle Hacks started, and how representative it is of the > > Seattle developer community? Are there other groups with a similar long > > history and community as SeaPIG, that have managed to associate with it > > without losing their identity or cohesiveness? If so, who are they and > what > > kind of association do they have? > > > > > > -- > Joe Simpson > > Sent From My DROID!! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/d2c1a92e/attachment.html > > > > End of seattle-python Digest, Vol 108, Issue 4 > ********************************************** > -- >From "A Letter From The Future" in "Peak Everything" by Richard Heinberg: "By the time I was an older teenager, a certain...attitude was developing among the young people...a feeling of utter contempt for anyone over a certain age--maybe 30 or 40. The adults had consumed so many resources, and now there were none left for their own children...when those adults were younger, they [were] just doing what everybody else was doing...they figured it was normal to cut down ancient forests for...phone books, pump every last gallon of oil to power their SUV's...[but] for...my generation all that was just a dim memory...We [grew up] living in darkness, with shortages of food and water, with riots in the streets, with people begging on street corners...for us, the adults were the enemy." Want to *really* understand what's *really* going on? Read "Peak Everything."
