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On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 4:05 PM, David Goldsmith <[email protected]>wrote: > I may live to regret it, but I'm a Google man (almost) all the way (I > haven't yet gotten a Google OS product, and I still use Mozilla-based > browsers, and use my old yahoo account for spam-risky activity, but > otherwise Google "has me"!) If you move to GG, that "works for me." > > > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:39 PM, > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Send seattle-python mailing list submissions to >> [email protected] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.seapig.org/mailman/listinfo/seattle-python >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [email protected] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [email protected] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of seattle-python digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: SeaPIG server status (Mike Orr) >> 2. Re: SeaPIG server status (James Thiele) >> 3. Re: SeaPIG server status (Kevin LaTona) >> 4. Re: SeaPIG server status (Mike Orr) >> 5. Re: SeaPIG server status (joseph simpson) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:36:31 -0700 >> From: Mike Orr <[email protected]> >> To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status >> Message-ID: >> <CAH9f=uo919nhv8s48FfjCoXXVP1CwduQK7bu5= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so you >> > don't have to worry about issues like disk space? >> > >> >> We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The main >> issues are: >> >> - How many people don't have Google accounts? >> - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? >> - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling through >> the >> cracks? >> - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it ethical to >> do so? >> - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has >> out-of-date cruft going back ten years? >> - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the migration >> fails or people fall through the cracks? >> - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, especially >> any >> that don't practice Total Information Awareness and Ever-Creeping >> Marketing? >> - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server running and >> would like to take this on? >> >> When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was mediocre and >> resistance was present. How do people feel about it now? It would be nice >> to get out of the burden of running Mailman and having it be a >> must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/a2c82a43/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 14:42:18 -0700 >> From: James Thiele <[email protected]> >> To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status >> Message-ID: >> <CABSNL97yZYW5jpUOPnD=aGUtHL0= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> I wouldn't resist, but I'm not enthusiastic. What we have mostly works. >> I'd >> hate to lose any member of the community by moving. Also we have control. >> I >> have a Google account but I swear at them every time they change the email >> interface. Who knows if they might move Google Groups to Google+? >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Mike Orr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so you >> >> don't have to worry about issues like disk space? >> >> >> > >> > We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The main >> > issues are: >> > >> > - How many people don't have Google accounts? >> > - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? >> > - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling through >> > the cracks? >> > - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it ethical >> to >> > do so? >> > - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has >> > out-of-date cruft going back ten years? >> > - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the >> migration >> > fails or people fall through the cracks? >> > - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, especially >> > any that don't practice Total Information Awareness and Ever-Creeping >> > Marketing? >> > - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server running >> and >> > would like to take this on? >> > >> > When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was mediocre >> and >> > resistance was present. How do people feel about it now? It would be >> nice >> > to get out of the burden of running Mailman and having it be a >> > must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Some radio waves were modulated in the creation of this email. >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/04bee5e1/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:07:28 -0700 >> From: Kevin LaTona <[email protected]> >> To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes >> >> >> >> Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google >> Groups makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. >> >> Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news >> website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. >> >> He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a >> pretty straight forward process to keep it going. >> >> http://seattlehacks.com/ >> >> http://seattlehacks.com/submit/ >> >> >> >> Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and >> moving over to this kind of an idea. >> >> This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and >> it's free as well. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Kevin >> >> >> >> On Apr 12, 2013, at 2:36 PM, Mike Orr wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 1:11 PM, bass <[email protected]> wrote: >> > For mail, have you considered switching to say, Google Groups, so >> > you don't have to worry about issues like disk space? >> > >> > We have considered it in the past and it's still a possibility. The >> > main issues are: >> > >> > - How many people don't have Google accounts? >> > - How many people are resistant to getting a Google account? >> > - Can we expect everybody to resubscribe without people falling >> > through the cracks? >> > - Is it possible to bulk-add the subscriber list? If so, is it >> > ethical to do so? >> > - Should we purge the subscriber list anyway because it probably has >> > out-of-date cruft going back ten years? >> > - How can we keep in touch and announce the next meeting if the >> > migration fails or people fall through the cracks? >> > - Are there any non-Google list services we should consider, >> > especially any that don't practice Total Information Awareness and >> > Ever-Creeping Marketing? >> > - Are there any SeaPIG members who have a reliable mail server >> > running and would like to take this on? >> > >> > When I've suggested Google Groups in the past, enthusiasm was >> > mediocre and resistance was present. How do people feel about it >> > now? It would be nice to get out of the burden of running Mailman >> > and having it be a must-reliable whenever I upgrade the server. >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 4 >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:32:38 -0700 >> From: Mike Orr <[email protected]> >> To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status >> Message-ID: >> <CAH9f= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kevin LaTona <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google >> Groups >> > makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. >> > >> > Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news >> > website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. >> > >> > He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a >> pretty >> > straight forward process to keep it going. >> > >> > http://seattlehacks.com/ >> > >> > http://seattlehacks.com/**submit/ <http://seattlehacks.com/submit/> >> > >> > >> > >> > Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and >> > moving over to this kind of an idea. >> > >> > This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and >> it's >> > free as well. >> >> >> What do others think of this? Or are there other models we should >> consider? >> The SeaPIG organizers could contact Carter and see what kind of >> collaboration is feasable. The main issues are making sure we don't lose >> our community or alienate members, and that it has equivalents to all the >> wiki features we currently use. This probably means we'd need our own >> section on the site. Given that Seattle Py (the meetup group) is already >> on there, we should have at least a presence there to avoid people's >> confusion. ("Are Seattle Py and SeaPIG the same thing?" "Seattle Py is the >> only group around.") >> >> So how was Seattle Hacks started, and how representative it is of the >> Seattle developer community? Are there other groups with a similar long >> history and community as SeaPIG, that have managed to associate with it >> without losing their identity or cohesiveness? If so, who are they and >> what >> kind of association do they have? >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/3cb1a58c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 5 >> Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2013 15:38:54 -0700 >> From: joseph simpson <[email protected]> >> To: Seattle Python Interest Group <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [SEAPY] SeaPIG server status >> Message-ID: >> <CAPnyebxzkKECU= >> [email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> JoeHey... >> >> Google Groups is a great service.... >> >> I use it with other groups and it works fine... >> >> But Brian Dorsey is not a member of the other groups so it may be >> iffy........ ; ) >> >> >> Have fun.. >> >> >> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:32 PM, Mike Orr <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Kevin LaTona <[email protected] >> >wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Not much mail comes across the seaPig list, so if a move to Google >> Groups >> >> makes it easier for you I would be in favor of the move. >> >> >> >> Also Carter Rabasa from Twilio just created a new Seattle based news >> >> website/feed on all things Seattle developer like. >> >> >> >> He is using Github and Jekyll to create the static pages and it's a >> >> pretty straight forward process to keep it going. >> >> >> >> http://seattlehacks.com/ >> >> >> >> http://seattlehacks.com/**submit/ <http://seattlehacks.com/submit/> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Maybe it's time to consider moving away from the old website model and >> >> moving over to this kind of an idea. >> >> >> >> This way Mike you end not having to do all those server upgrades and >> it's >> >> free as well. >> > >> > >> > What do others think of this? Or are there other models we should >> > consider? The SeaPIG organizers could contact Carter and see what kind >> of >> > collaboration is feasable. The main issues are making sure we don't lose >> > our community or alienate members, and that it has equivalents to all >> the >> > wiki features we currently use. This probably means we'd need our own >> > section on the site. Given that Seattle Py (the meetup group) is >> already >> > on there, we should have at least a presence there to avoid people's >> > confusion. ("Are Seattle Py and SeaPIG the same thing?" "Seattle Py is >> the >> > only group around.") >> > >> > So how was Seattle Hacks started, and how representative it is of the >> > Seattle developer community? Are there other groups with a similar long >> > history and community as SeaPIG, that have managed to associate with it >> > without losing their identity or cohesiveness? If so, who are they and >> what >> > kind of association do they have? >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Joe Simpson >> >> Sent From My DROID!! >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.seapig.org/pipermail/seattle-python/attachments/20130412/d2c1a92e/attachment.html >> > >> >> End of seattle-python Digest, Vol 108, Issue 4 >> ********************************************** >> > > > > -- > From "A Letter From The Future" in "Peak Everything" by Richard Heinberg: > > "By the time I was an older teenager, a certain...attitude was developing > among the young people...a feeling of utter contempt for anyone over a > certain age--maybe 30 or 40. The adults had consumed so many resources, > and now there were none left for their own children...when those adults > were younger, they [were] just doing what everybody else was doing...they > figured it was normal to cut down ancient forests for...phone books, pump > every last gallon of oil to power their SUV's...[but] for...my generation > all that was just a dim memory...We [grew up] living in darkness, with > shortages of food and water, with riots in the streets, with people begging > on street corners...for us, the adults were the enemy." > > Want to *really* understand what's *really* going on? Read "Peak > Everything." > > >
