I would not express the copnfidence that you just did.
Tim Greer wrote:
>
> No, it's never happened. This is definitely a possibility for many
> instances, but if you know how and where to check, use tools to alert you if
> anything has changed, and have the experience, you'd know. Anyway, that's
> not the case, and it's not exactly a rare thing to not have been
> compromised, as if it's inevitable. Provided you don't get hit with any
> zero-day exploits that you couldn't have prevented by what you run, filter
> or how it's configured, or just don't use software/services that are
> vulnerable to them--or you just aren't targeted, it's not really
> unreasonable to hear.
> --
> Regards,
> Tim Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Server administration, security, programming, consulting.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Meritt James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Erik !" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2003 6:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs
>
> > Recommended modification: "Do not know ever been hacked." You very well
> > may have been but do not know that you have been. Only the inept get
> > caught.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> > "Erik !" wrote:
> > >
> > > Tim,
> > > 1. I'm glad you have never been hacked ... 8)
> > >
> > > 2. ever hear of:
> > >
> > > a. social engineering, and
> > > b. zero-day exploits
> > >
> > > ?
> > >
> > > 3. *... I'll find a new line of work*
> > >
> > > WHEN that time comes, I hear barbers enjoy nice long relaxing careers.
> > >
> > > erik
> > >
> > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > From: "Tim Greer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: "Erik !"
> > >
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> yfocus.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs
> > > Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 14:44:01 -0700
> > >
> > > Please, I never bought the "if someone wants in, they will get in" line.
> :-)
> > > There's not enough conditionals to that claim. There's not just
> inevitably
> > > a way in, no matter what and that a sys admin can't do anything about
> it, as
> > > if that's "just the way it is". if you believe otherwise, I'll set up a
> > > system and you can manage to "just get in" and I'll find a new line of
> work.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Tim Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Server administration, security, programming, consulting.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Erik !" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2003 3:20 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs
> > >
> > > > Here's what the experts use (for starters - bigger cos. develop their
> own
> > > > list, based upon their own internal consensus).
> > > >
> > > > http://www.sans.org/top20/
> > > >
> > > > this is broken out by windows and unix centric apps/services.
> > > >
> > > > It really pegs the most comman apps/services that sysadmins overlook
> and
> > > > hence end up causing the most problems.
> > > >
> > > > A determined hacker could get into most any network, it gets back to
> the
> > > old
> > > > adage:
> > > >
> > > > You are going to be hacked at some point, it's just a matter of how
> soon
> > > you
> > > > want that to happen.
> > > >
> > > > Balance your LAN security against your business needs.
> > > > Erik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > From: Ansgar Wiechers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: Ten least secure programs
> > > > Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:52:23 +0200
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this discussion will be productive in any way, since
> you
> > > > seem to concentrate too much on the software and ignore layer 8,
> which
> > > > is (IMHO) the major problem. But anyway, here you go:
> > > >
> > > > On 2003-06-28 Chris Berry wrote:
> > > > > I'm putting together a list of what seem to be the ten least
> secure
> > > > > computer items in use today with the idea of having a set of
> things to
> > > > > recommend AGAINST people using, probably to be posted on the IT
> room
> > > > > door with a note like "NO, you cannot use the following!!". Here
> is
> > > > > what I have so far, I'm looking for additions and comments. The
> list
> > > > > is in order from with the worst offender being number one. These
> > > > > should be products whose inheirent design is flawed, not that are
> just
> > > > > difficult to secure. I expect vigorous discussion. *putting on
> flame
> > > > > retardent garments* Oh, and leave Operating systems out of this
> one.
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure if this discussion will be productive in any way, since
> you
> > > > seem to concentrate too much on the software and ignore layer 8,
> which
> > > > is (IMHO) the major problem. But anyway, here we go:
> > > >
> > > > > 1) Microsoft Outlook
> > > >
> > > > I beg to differ on this one. Outlook is a groupware client and is
> > > > therefore *designed* to be insecure. It's a behaviour I would expect
> > > > from a groupware client. Of course one should *not* use Outlook as an
> > > > internet mail client (at least not without taking further
> precautions).
> > > > Also I would like to mention that AFAIR all vulnerabilities in
> Outlook
> > > > are vulnerabilities of the Internet Explorer (which I suggest to put
> on
> > > > this list instead).
> > > >
> > > > > 2) Telnet
> > > > > 3) Sendmail
> > > > > 4) IIS Server
> > > > > 5) Wireless networking
> > > > > 6) PHP
> > > > > 7) ?
> > > > > 8) ?
> > > > > 9) ?
> > > > > 10) ?
> > > >
> > > > You might want to add FTP in general and BIND (at least earlier than
> > > > version 9) here.
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > > Ansgar Wiechers
> > > >
> > > >
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