Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote on 01/08/2026 01:33:
So in essence nobody wants to accept responsibility to address this
because x is illegal in one country but it could be legal somewhere else
so that they think they’ll be exposed to litigation if they take any
action at all?
Suresh,
I didn't say that. What I said was that the suggestions being put
forward would put the RIPE NCC in the position of being expected to make
decisions which are well outside their area of competence and that these
calls would be largely equivalent to legal judgements; also, that the
proposed sanction (deregistration of number resources) is unsuited to
the deal with the problem at hand.
If you want to claim that the RIPE NCC would be immune to liability for
this style of decision and outcome, I'd be interested to understand why.
Nick
In all such cases (let us assume, as an extreme example, child abuse
material, versus some country where the age of consent is absurdly low -
there are countries where this age is pre teen ) the general rule has
been to make it subject to the law of the host country, or in ripe ncc’s
case, Dutch law.
--srs
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*From:* Nick Hilliard <[email protected]>
*Sent:* Friday, 31 July 2026 23:28:47
*To:* Serge Droz <[email protected]>
*Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]>
*Subject:* [Security-wg] Re: Abuse mailboxes are increasingly no longer
monitored and are being replaced by (bad) forms
Serge,
Serge Droz wrote on 31/07/2026 18:30:
It's not venting. It's stating the facts:
it's taking a swipe at people.
All you write are reasons why we should not change things. Alternatives could be
There are plenty of other proposals or groups of proposals that I've
supported over the years, some controversial, some not so. This isn't
because I don't want online abuse to be dealt with, or that I like
objecting to RIPE policy proposals: it's because the proposals that are
coming out of security-wg / abuse-wg have, in my opinion, really serious
and fundamental problems with them which haven't been addressed by the
proposal authors.
1. Check how the others do and copy it
or
2. Instead of saying X is not workable, you could say It seems X is
no workable, but we could try Y to solve this. But the second part
never comes.
It never comes from the policy proposer either, which is the actual
problem here. Also, I don't have a workable alternative to the reality
that the RIPE NCC doesn't have supranational judicial authority or that
it's subject to the laws of the country where it legally resides.
It's also correct to say that when someone comes up with a RIPE
Community policy proposal, that it needs to be able to withstand
reasonable criticism, and that if the proposer can't withstand that
criticism, then the policy proposal should fail. The proposals aren't
precious. I've had plenty of proposals shot down by other people. So what?
Nick
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