We can frame this as we like. And we don't need to solve this 100%, if we get
80% it's still better than nothing.
And we don't have to fall back to law. We have to make sure we don't violate
existing law. But we can demand working abuse addresses, and exert some pain if
that's not provided. This is not unusual, it is how most of the internet works.
Serge
On 2 August 2026 13:03:16 UTC, Nick Hilliard <[email protected]> wrote:
>Serge,
>
>Serge Droz via Security-wg wrote on 02/08/2026 13:12:
>> In the day and age of cloud services there are hundreds of examples of
>> services provided to different jurisdictions. Usually the law of your legal
>> residence applies.
>
>yep, that's largely where the abuse management needs to happen.
>
>> Furthermore, APnic and Lacnic do such things, and they cover multiple
>> jurisdictions,a fact you seem to ignore.
>
>This argument is looking perilously close to suggesting that the RIPE NCC
>should throw the outcome of its own PDP into the bin and follow the other RIRs
>willy-nilly.
>
>> And your cutlery vendor analogy doesn't cut it: Once the knife is sold, the
>> vendor doesn't control it anymore. That is different from ip addresses.
>
>Yep, this is why I flagged it as an inapplicable comparison, in a similar way
>to the bank manager comparison: once the asset goes out the door, you lose
>control.
>
>But you've brought up the nub of the issue here: you're viewing continued
>number registration as a lever which can be used to exert control over the
>resource holder in a way that ticks some boxes for you. There are a lot of
>reasons why this approach doesn't make good policy.
>
>Nick
>
--
Dr. Serge Droz
Director, Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams
https://first.org
-----
To unsubscribe from this mailing list or change your subscription options,
please visit: https://mailman.ripe.net/mailman3/lists/security-wg.ripe.net/
As we have migrated to Mailman 3, you will need to create an account with the
email matching your subscription before you can change your settings.
More details at: https://www.ripe.net/membership/mail/mailman-3-migration/
