Hi,
Okay, that works - making something an optional setting is always a
possibility when the group can't decide on something. :) Out of curiosity,
what do you think of Niklas's suggestion, of showing the description
instead of the label? That might actually work also - after all, that's how
the format dropdown in Special:Ask is already handled; only the
descriptions of the formats are shown, not the actual names.
-Yaron
On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 12:32 PM, James HK <jamesin.hongkon...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi Yaron,
>
> I have spent more time on this now than I actually wanted to but with
> change [1] you will have your standard behaviour of showing the text
> beneath the input box (as default) but at the same time introduced a
> user preference for a Special:Ask tooltip. For power user like me that
> don't need text all the time now can opt-in to show a tooltip instead
> of the text.
>
> [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/16634/
>
> Cheers
>
> On 7/25/12, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> > Hi James,
> >
> > Thanks for putting those two images together. I actually think that 2nd
> > layout, with the descriptions in a smaller font below the input, looks
> > totally fine - it would probably look nicer if the descriptions were
> under
> > both the parameter name and the input, but that's a minor point. It's a
> > dense layout, but I don't think it's ridiculously so. And of course, this
> > page is for the most part meant to be used by administrators and "power
> > users" rather than regular users - so I think it's better to err on the
> > side of more informative rather than more friendly-looking.
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 9:42 AM, James HK
> > <jamesin.hongkon...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Yaron,
> >>
> >> >> it just seems like too much work to makes users do
> >> Well, their is not much wiggle room in making the Special:Ask layout
> >> UI somewhat sane. On the one hand we want people immediately recognize
> >> the content that is inherent in an option selected and on the other
> >> hand by doing so puts the whole screen under scrutiny for being
> >> "unorganised".
> >>
> >> >> one possibility is just to display them in a smaller font
> >> I did a quick test using text (altering the font size did not change
> >> much) beneath the input box but depending on the individual text
> >> length and a formats available option pool, the Special:Ask becomes a
> >> two-page option mine-field where you hardly can focus on the option
> >> due to text that is cluttered amongst all options and one scrolling
> >> between query and option input. Please have a look at [1], [2] and
> >> compare for yourself.
> >>
> >> >> parameter names by themselves are pretty cryptic
> >> Nothing much one can do here.
> >>
> >> >> I'm really not sure about that hover thing
> >> Me neither but what else is there left, if this is not an option?
> >>
> >> Another option would be to introduce a user preference where one can
> >> opt-in/out of the text display but do we really want to do this?
> >>
> >> [1]
> >>
> https://github.com/mwjames/docs/raw/master/smw-core/special-ask-table-without-text.png
> >>
> >> [2]
> >>
> https://github.com/mwjames/docs/raw/master/smw-core/special-ask-table-with-text.png
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> mwjames
> >>
> >> On 7/25/12, Yaron Koren <ya...@wikiworks.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi James,
> >> >
> >> > I just tried this code out now, and I regret not having looked at it
> >> > before. I'm really not sure about that hover thing - as Jeroen notes,
> >> > it
> >> > has usabiility issues, and beyond that, it just seems like too much
> >> > work
> >> to
> >> > makes users do. It would be one thing if the hover were just
> clarifying
> >> > what was already on the page, but in this case the parameter names by
> >> > themselves are pretty cryptic - and they're always in English, so if
> >> people
> >> > don't speak English then they're forced to hover over every parameter.
> >> >
> >> > Was the issue that the parameter descriptions were taking up too much
> >> > of
> >> > the page? If so, one possibility is just to display them in a smaller
> >> font
> >> > instead - that might help readability as well (ironically), since it
> >> > wouldn't look as much like a sea of text.
> >> >
> >> > -Yaron
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Jeroen De Dauw
> >> > <jeroended...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Hey James,
> >> >>
> >> >> I just merged in your changes, and they are looking great :)
> >> >>
> >> >> One usability suggestion I have is adding a line of text at the top
> of
> >> >> the
> >> >> "other options" box explaining what they are, in particular that you
> >> >> can
> >> >> cover over their names to get their associated description (as this
> >> might
> >> >> not be obvious).
> >> >>
> >> >> And this only occurred to me now, but the WMF has a usability policy
> >> >> discouraging use of hover-only features, as they do not work on most
> >> >> mobile
> >> >> devices. Not sure how to address this issue here though.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Cheers
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> http://www.bn2vs.com
> >> >> Don't panic. Don't be evil.
> >> >> --
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