I am surprised that the ‘non-inferiority study’ referenced here would lead to 
treatment protocols with endpoints that were not endorsed by the Surviving 
Sepsis Campaign.
Among the flaws in that study was the arbitrary choice of a ‘10% reduction in 
lactate levels’.
In addition to the fact that this per cent reduction was arbitrary, I think 
that we can all agree that there is quite a difference in a 10% reduction in a 
lactate of 3.9 and a 10% reduction in a lactate of lactate of 8.9.

Although the new SSC guidelines include targets for serum lactate 
reduction(begrudgingly to satisfy NQF - IMHO), the goal of the reduction is not 
 by some arbitrary number - but normalized.

$0.02
Thanks,

Mary Ann Daly, RN BSN CCRN DC
Regional Clinical Initiative Lead-Sepsis and ICU Liberation (ABCDE)
Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation Grant
Sutter Health Sacramento Sierra Region
E-mail: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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‎ You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change 
something, build a new model that makes the existing model obsolete. R. 
Buckminster Fuller


From: [email protected] 
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ram Parekh
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:50 PM
To: Vipul Kella
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Noninvasive EGDT

We have at our hospital and at most of the GNYHA hospitals in the New York area.

This protocol is based on the non-inferiority study of lactate clearance by 
Jones/Shapiro and was implemented with our current Stop Sepsis collaborative 
which has given ED providers the option of utilizing the 'invasive' or 
'non-invasive protocol' as EGDT options. Thus, the protocol was simultaneously 
implemented in over 50 hospitals at the same time.
On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Vipul Kella 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Has anyone implemented the noninvasive EGDT protocol at their hospital?  What 
was your experience?

--
Vipul Kella, MD FACEP
Medical Emergency Professionals (MEP)

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