Thank you for the paper! I've been advocating for a change in practice to use 
more LR and was asked by the intensivists to produce the literature. I will 
send this on....many thanks.

Mary Kay Bader RN, MSN, CCNS,FAHA, FNCS
Neuro/Critical Care CNS
Mission Hospital
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On May 1, 2015, at 7:42 AM, "Doberenz, Doris" 
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It has been known for a long time now that normal saline is nowhere normal and 
when used excessively can have serious side effects, starting with 
hyperchloraemic acidosis.
Prof John Kellum from Pittsburgh, US, is an expert on this topic and I find it 
quite stunning that the American nursing and medical community is still using 
so much saline and not aware of the downsides. I attach a very good American 
paper comparing saline and balanced plasmalyte, that shows that saline in 
surgical patients was associated with significant morbi-mortality, compared 
with Plasmalyte.

With kind regards

Doris Doberenz FRCA FFICM EDAIC EDIC
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We used it during the normal saline shortage crisis last year. I heard an 
interesting presentation at ISICEM in Brussels where they compared NS to LR re 
sodium content and advocated for its use when you are concerned about sodium. 
Nothing official on which fluid was better
Mk

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Hi All,
Has anyone hear that lactated ringers solution should be used for fluid 
resuscitation instead of normal saline?

On Monday, April 27, 2015, Gail Taylor 
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We are currently not using nurse driven protocols except in the ED and with our 
MRTs. These include lab orders but no fluid or antibiotics.

On another subject, has anyone started to address the CMS requirements?

Thanks,
Gail

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I would be interested in nurse driven protocols also.

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Good Morning,

Our pharmacy department and myself are putting together a presentation on nurse 
driven protocols and we are needing further resources. We are looking for 
facilities who have implemented this and have evidence to support that this 
worked at your facility. Any PowerPoints, research articles or handouts are 
greatly appreciated! We love anything with stats and data. Even a contact 
person would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you,

Katerina Rhynes - RN, BSN
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Wesley Medical Center
Quality Department
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