That's what I meant. It used to be Quest. 
Thank you Sandra!

Karen Belfi, RN, MSN
Quality Outcomes Coordinator
Lankenau Medical Center


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Murray, Sandra <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> This is the answer from QNet.  I don't know what Quest is
> 
> Subject
> Organ dysfunction
> 
> Discussion Thread
> Response Via Email (Char Teed) 07/07/2016 11:06 AM
> Sandra,
> 
> Considering the guidelines:  If an abnormal lab value (e.g. elevated 
> creatinine) is considered due to a chronic condition or medication, the 
> relation should be supported within the medical record.  If a relation 
> between the abnormal lab value and a chronic condition or medication is not 
> identified within the medical record, the abnormal lab value can be 
> considered evidence of organ dysfunction in relation to severe sepsis.
> 
> This type of documentation will most likely be physician/APN/PA but is not 
> limited to physician/APN/PA documentation. There is no limitation on where 
> the documentation is located, but it must be in the current medical record.
> 
> Sandra Murray, RN, BSN | Heart Failure & Sepsis Program Coordinator
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Belfi, Karen [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 4:04 PM
> To: Dena Videtic
> Cc: Greg Stanford; Murray, Sandra; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sepsis Groups] Sepsis Question on 
> organ dysfunction
> 
> I wasn't referring to the cholecystitis as infection.  According to the 
> guidelines, an elevated bilirubin is a sign of organ dysfunction. They don't 
> tell you to read further.
> 
> Send it in to Quest to confirm.
> 
> 
> 
> Karen Belfi, RN, MSN
> 
> Quality Outcomes Coordinator
> 
> Lankenau Medical Center
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> On Jul 7, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Dena Videtic 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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> 
> Karen,
> 
> I disagree and would continue to look for documentation that it is in fact 
> organ dysfunction related to sepsis. Cholecystitis is not necessarily an 
> infection and an elevated bilirubin is not necessarily organ dysfunction.
> 
> 
> 
> Dena
> 
> Dena Videtic RN BSN
> 
> Quality Indicators
> 
> Doctors Hospital
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> 786-308-3315
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> 
> From: Belfi, Karen [mailto:[email protected]]
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> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:26 AM
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> To: Greg Stanford <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; Dena 
> Videtic <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
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> Cc: Murray, Sandra 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>; 
> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
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> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sepsis Groups] Sepsis Question on organ 
> dysfunction
> 
> 
> 
> If we are reviewing concurrently that would be helpful.
> 
> However, if we are retroactively abstracting a chart, we can only go by 
> documentation in the chart.
> 
> The specification manual is clear that if there is no documentation the organ 
> dysfunction isn’t documented as related to a different condition, we are to 
> use it as organ dysfunction criterion.
> 
> It may not always make sense clinically, but we need to follow the guidelines.
> 
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> Karen Belfi, RN, MSN
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> From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Stanford
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> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:40 PM
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> To: Dena Videtic
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> Cc: Murray, Sandra; 
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> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Sepsis Groups] Sepsis Question on organ dysfunction
> 
> 
> 
> I agree with Dena.  Cholecystitis doesn’t generally give you a bili that 
> high, and I would think of obstruction and cholangitis.  Without that, sepsis 
> would be next on my list. but I would query the doctor to better understand 
> his/her clinical impression.
> 
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> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:12 AM, Dena Videtic 
> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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> Sandra,
> 
> This is a good question. From an abstraction point of view, I would look for 
> physician documentation that the patient has Severe Sepsis because as nurses, 
> it is not in our scope of practice to diagnose patients. The bilirubin could 
> be elevated due to a biliary obstruction. An interesting article was 
> published in April about the subjectivity of sepsis diagnosis even among 
> physicians. If you’re interested it is called: ‘Diagnosing Sepsis is 
> Subjective and Highly Variable: A Survey of Intensivists Using Case 
> Vignettes” 
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> Dena Videtic RN BSN
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> Quality Indicators
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> Doctors Hospital
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> From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
> Behalf Of Murray, Sandra
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> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:26 PM
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> Subject: [Sepsis Groups] Sepsis Question on organ dysfunction
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> Would you count a t.bili of 9.3 as organ dysfunction if patient comes in with 
> abdominal pain, meets the SIRS criteria and the CT shows pt to have acute 
> cholecystitis?
> 
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