Great article Jeanie. I passed this along to our ED physicians who I hope are 
sharing with our local EMS groups. 
Theresa

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> On Apr 20, 2017, at 2:40 PM, Jeanie Bollinger <[email protected]> 
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> [EXTERNAL]
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> The May issue of CCM contains an article by Seymour and colleagues exploring 
> the delays from first medical contact to administration of antibiotics for 
> sepsis.  Both total medical contact and ED delay in abx administration are 
> associated with in-hospital mortality in community acquired sepsis.  Although 
> pre-hospital delay was not independently associated with mortality, the 
> authors do comment that total medical contact delay could be reduced if EMS 
> administered prehospital antibiotics to high risk septic patients. (rather 
> than delay upon arrival to the ED). Our local EMS agencies are exploring 
> including this in their protocols as we are in a rural area of Western NC and 
> some of our transports can be >1 hr due to mountainous terrain.  I am sure 
> there will be more to come on early recognition and not delaying antibiotics. 
>  
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> Jeanie Bollinger MSN,RN, ACCNS-AG, CCRN
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> Ann,
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> Kumar has shown that every hour of delay in appropriate antibiotics increases 
> mortality.
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> Reba Umberger, PhD, RN, CCRN-K
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> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 13:09:43 +0000
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> Anne,
> Will you please share with me any information you receive on this?
> Thank you,
> Amy
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> From: Sepsisgroups [mailto:[email protected]] On 
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> A local EMS is planning a protocol to screen for Severe Sepsis in the field 
> pre-hospital.  Based upon the screening results (which do not include a 
> lactate), they will be administering crystalloid fluids, drawing blood 
> cultures and giving a broad spectrum antibiotic.  While I can find literature 
> to support the fluid administration, I have been unable to find any support 
> for the antibiotic administration.
> Are you familiar with this practice, is it happening in your area, or are you 
> familiar with any literature to support/not-support.
> Thank you in advance.
> 
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> We use the inter-professional plans of care that are offered in our EMR's. We 
> have done an analysis of our sepsis population and it appears that IPOC's are 
> one variable that has an impact on severity progression, LOS and patient 
> outcomes as well as readmissions. Especially if there is a delay in 
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> Hello everyone,
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> I am wondering if anyone has developed clinical pathways or nursing care 
> plans for sepsis patients and would be willing to share what they have. In 
> addition, to share if they are effective with inpatient sepsis cases and 
> compliance with the CMS metrics. I appreciate any and all feedback. Our 
> Sepsis Committee members would like to explore this as an option in our 
> facility.
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> Regards,
> Anne
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> In the current specification manual (Version 5.2a), it states:
> Crystalloid fluid volumes ordered that are within 10% lower than the actual 
> volume calculated by weight are acceptable.
> 
> So if a patient needs 2200, they can get as little as 1980. (10% of 2200 is 
> 220; 2200 -220 is 1980).
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> Mary,
> Can you clarify the 10%. And where to find that in the spec manual?
> Thanks! 
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> For CMS , you have to have severe sepsis before you have septic shock.
> When you say no source identified, are you saying that there is no 
> documentation of a suspected infection within the 6 hr window criteria?  If 
> that is the case, then you can't meet all the criteria components for severe 
> sepsis.
> 
> Is there a reason the white count was so low documented in the note (recent 
> chemo, etc)? If there is and the provider has documented it as such, you 
> can't use that white count as your 2nd SIRS.
> 
> In terms of just good patient care and reality, yes, this pt clinically is in 
> septic shock. Per the most recent specs manual, a decrease of 10% of the 
> 30mL/kg of crystalloids is acceptable, but that would be 1978.56. Not enough
> 
> I hope this help :-)
> Sepsis, she is a nasty little bugger :-)
> 
> Mary Mills RN, BSN, CPHQ, CPPS
> Centegra Health System
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> Septic shock
> 
>    To everyone:
> 
>    Hoping to get some clarification re: potential septic shock pt.
> 
>    1207- B/P-  84/57 P- 135.
> 
>    Lactate at 1430- 4.8- lactate  at 1810- 4.3
> 
>    WBC- 0.1 at 1621
> 
>    Pt. weight- 73.28 Kg- pt received 1500cc NS - will fallout for this
> 
>    No source identified
> 
>    Will this patient meet septic shock due to lactate level?
> 
>    We cannot come to conclusion 100%- so looking for help from everyone. I 
> say yes.
> 
>    Thank you.
> 
>    Diana Davis, Quality Outcomes Coordinator
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>    CMH Regional Health System
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> From: Cynthia Wells <[email protected]>
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> Subject: Re: [Sepsis Groups] Initial lactate vs repeat lactate result
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> It depends on which lactate is "drawn" closer to time zero. The lactate used 
> to establish time zero is not always the "initial lactate" data element.
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> Cindy
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> On Apr 4, 2017, at 6:20 PM, Mary Draper 
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> I have a patient that met the SIRS criteria with a possible infection though 
> etiology unknown and had an initial lactate of 2.2. This ruled the patient in 
> for severe sepsis. No hypotension. The repeat lactate 4 hours later is > 4.
> Patient is still not hypotensive. Does this then qualify the patient for 
> septic shock?
> I thought we used the ?initial? episode?s lactate not the repeat result.
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