Our lab "reflexes" any lactate > 2.0 so that it is re-drawn in 2 hours.
This process pre-dates me (I came in Feb. 2017).  I don't know if they ever 
discussed or debated this as a nursing practice issue.
Perhaps because this is technically a lab process for our facility?

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We had a similar discussion so we have the provider order the initial lactate 
and a repeat x 1 in 180 minutes after the initial. The subsequent lactate is 
cancelled if the lactate is <2.0.  This eliminates the auto repeat order 
without a validation by providers because 2 are ordered initially. We have had 
success with this.

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Hello All,


We are having a debate in our organization about whether automatic lactate 
orders violate nursing standard of practice.  Currently if a patient in ED or 
on floor screens in for sepsis, the nurse follows hospital protocol and orders 
a lactate which is then routed to the attending physician for cosignature 
(after drawn).   We also have an automated order to repeat lactate at 4 hours 
for admitted patients with an initial lactate>2.    I believe our initial 
lactate order in ER is covered by Standardized Nursing Procedures.  We are 
having more debate around the initial lactate ordered on inpatients and the 
automated second lactate on all patients with lactate>2 without a prior 
physician order.


I am interested in knowing if other hospitals use our approach, and if so is 
nursing leadership feeling comfortable that nursing standards of practice are 
not being violated.


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In Houston, many of the hospitals are being affected by the saline shortage.  
In order to  be proactive, we are doing IVP medications as well.

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We are starting to give IVP antibiotics for these instances.  Yes we are 
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Is anyone else having issues with no spike bags or normal saline bags available 
for mixing antibiotics? Our hospital and pharmacy are completely out of most 
saline bags. We are mixing all antibiotics manually. Have you heard of CMS 
allowing IM/IO antibiotics due to this shortage?


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