Hi,

> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: robert burrell donkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Gesendet: Samstag, 20. Januar 2007 09:32
> An: James Developers List
> Betreff: Re: [VOTE RESULT] InetAddress unbounded cache patch backport
> 
> On 1/18/07, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Norman Maurer wrote:
> >
> > > i put the property in the startup(....)  method of
> > > org.apache.avalon.phoenix.launcher.Main . This method get called of
> each
> > > entry point (Main, CommonsDameonLauncher, DaemonLauncher).
> >
> > Oh good ... so now JAMES functionality is going to depend upon a local
> > modification to the container launching it?
> 
> running in a container introduces a coupling of functionality to the
> container

So are we going to have a 2.3 based release that ist o be run in another
container?

Did I miss something?

> > Does anyone believe that's a
> > maintainable solution, as we look at alternative runtime environments?
> 
> but i definitely take your point: just doing this would be an
> unmaintainable solution going forward

I keeping backward compatibility to jdk <1.3 a good thing when someone wants
to look forward?

> > Please do NOT put this into trunk, since it is not necessary.  Also,
> keep in
> > mind that the faux TTL hack, if used, ought to be configurable.
> 
> it seems to me that the debate has become unnecessarily polarised
> 
> IMO we're in danger of losing focus

That was lost a long time ago. It is no objective discussion. It has never
been. It is 2 parties, who are incapable of looking at the others viewpoint.
That is sad!

> we need to elect a release manager who can shepherd the release
> through these difficult waters. we need to take a release branch ASAP
> so the short term push towards a release can be separated from medium
> term concerns about design and maintainability.

Really? I suggested this a long time ago. But certain people did not want to
do it. because of their own reasons. The Person that wanted to do it was
flamed. That is sad!

> releases are about those outside this circle of committers. for the
> next release, we should think about them, set aside our disagreements
> and do the right thing.

see previous paragraph.

> we should backport noel's fixes even if there design is less than
> elegant. we should fix every startup script that we can in case any
> calls have been missed even though this is an unmaintainable solution.
> we should write clearly in the release notes that JAMES may be
> effected by a known issue with some Sun JVMs causing memory leaks and
> note the fix for those running in other environments. all this should
> be done on the release branch.

So you are suggesting to do both? What is the benefit of doing both?

> but on trunk, we should implement the best medium term solution. this
> means implementing noel's fixes in a more elegant fashion.

I think it was pointed out, that Noels fixes broke some serious design
considerations.

I think the 2 parties should come together and work on a new solution, which
is suitable for everyone.

Juergen



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