--- Alan Gerhard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gabor Kincses [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2005 04:12
> ....
> > Any development is development, particularly when
> no
> > commits are happening on the main code base. I'm
> sure
> > he'd use the ASF infrastructure, if he were given
> a
> > branch to go crazy on.
>
> That's not the point.
> Open Source development, ASF infrastructure, and
> other community projects
> require a rigid framework which in turn demand
> strict adherence.
> Without that, you end up with projects having
> multiple branches and a
> splintered user community; the project eventually
> ends up in status quo with
> most of the development being made locally which
> gives no value to the
> overall community.
I think you might be missing the big picture. James
is already (I stand corrected, it's not dead) in idle
mode. My feeling is that new development cannot
happen with the current committers not committing
anything. Unless they let other (active) developers
in, they are nothing more than sourceforge-squatters.
Case study: FreeBSD vs. DragonflyBSD.
> So, giving JamesNG 'a branch to go crazy on' because
> '.. no commits are
> happening .. ' does not solve the issues that are
> being raised.
>
> > Man, with comments like that no wonder there's
> gonna
> > be a code fork.
>
> Neither do lengthy discussions pitting one
> technology against another.
Could you please elaborate? If you are defending the
Avalon beast, I have nothing to add. Except, that
having to rely on deprecated components is not a good
thing and does tarnish James's image.
> James is a (widely) used system with a large and
> loyal user base, who look
> to ASF/James for guidance, knowledge, and growth. We
> have an obligation to
> this user base to ensure a growing return on the
> investment they made in ASF
> and in using James as a solution, and to support
> them to attain their goals.
Yeah, but the growth part ain't happening and it won't
without active players. All your later questions
assume a somewhat vital body of developers. I'm not
trying to be disrespectful towards the achievement of
the James team. Indeed, James is a remarkable
software product, developed by pure volunteers over
the last 7 years.
Cheers,
Gabor
> We have had a few set backs in the past 12-18 months
> that have required our
> limited resources be funneled in other areas. Now
> that these transitions
> have been made, its time for JamesPMC to make some
> hard architectural
> decisions regarding support for the existing user
> base, inclusion of current
> development efforts, platform/framework
> independence, adherence to our
> framework (Mailets, Pipeline, Open Protocols), and
> attainment of our
> charter.
>
> Some questions I ask to induce thought -
>
> - What are we replacing Avalon with, who is leading
> that team, and do we
> have a due date ?
> - Where are we with our current development efforts
> (ToDo list) and how
> quickly can these efforts be realized ?
> - Have we defined a packaging tool/central
> repository for James Production
> Mailets ?
> - Are we commercializing James, who is leading that
> team, and have we
> gathered sufficient requirements ?
>
> I am more concerned about these areas; they have a
> greater impact on one's
> ability to make strategic decisions regarding the
> commercialized use of
> James, or the integration of James into Enterprise
> Solutions.
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
>
>
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