That was a useful information about Hotmail an Microsoft policy.
But the problem is not only observed in Hotmail, but also in Yahoo mail.
After some time, even Gmail starts classifying the mails into spam. Its
no where a problem related to JAMES. This issue may not pertain to the
agenda of this project too. But if we share our knowledge and expertise,
its probable that it will be useful in future for others.
Essentially, its a Spam classification problem. In spite of being a
legitimate mail server, the spam filters at Yahoo, Gmail, Hotmail(which
probably is more strict) classify them as bad. If we know, or figure
out, how they do it, we might have a solution.
We may end it right here if you feel I am pushing it too much. No hard
feelings. :)
Santosh.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Santosh Puranshettiwar wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Just checked with GMail, Yahoo! and Hotmail. Only Hotmail is marking
mail
as spam. And when I ask why, I am told that it is marked as spam only
because "Sender is not in your Allowed Senders list or your Contacts
list."
That's allegedly the default policy on Hotmail now, which would make
most
e-mail spam, and requires you to mark the sender as known.
I agree. JAMES couldn't be *it*.
But quite a few of us are facing this problem, probably we
should digg it and document the problem somewhere for future.
And what do you want to document?
I also sent e-mail direct from my Google Mail account to hotmail. Worked
fine.
I then sent e-mail using my @apache.org address via the Apache servers, and
it was flagged by hotmail as spam. The MTA is qmail, not JAMES; and Apache
has proper SPF records, so my @apache.org address was coming from a
legitimate @apache.org relay. Amusingly enough, the MUA on my end, in all
cases except for GMail, was Microsoft Outlook.
And one of the messages I sent from @apache.org didn't show up anywhere: no
e-mail, nor spam nor bounce to indicate a problem. I received a message
that it was being spooled for delivery, and then it vanished.
Again:
Bottom line: it isn't JAMES.
What I found after some digging around on the Internet are claims that
Microsoft is "pushing their BondedSender like crazy", and that "if you want
[mail delivered to hotmail users] badly enough, then you will probably pay
to use their bonded sender program. Otherwise, you may be forced to
eliminate all hotmail users from your lists, or at least live with the fact
that most mail from you to hotmail is going to be blocked or dropped."
See also: http://www.emailbattles.com/2006/04/20/email_aadeefedia_di/
"Microsoft says you should deploy its lightly used [and patent encumbered]
Sender-ID email authentication and/or pay for SenderScoreCertified
(previously known as “bondedsender”)."
Or: http://www.emailbattles.com/2005/12/08/email_aaccedjcjd_f/
"millions of Comcast subscribers have been unable to send email to MSN or
Hotmail."
Or any number of other reports about Hotmail that 30 seconds in Google will
turn up for you.
I agree that this is useful information, but again, what do you want to
document? I am trying to be nice about it, but from my perspective, these
problems amount to nothing more than what I expect from a Microsoft Internet
property. In my view, the only interesting thing from my testing is that
the e-mail from GMail worked, which leads to interesting speculation but
nothing particularly useful in terms of your problems delivery mail to
Hotmail users, other than to suggest that they switch from Hotmail to
another web mail provider, such as GMail.
--- Noel
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