On 4/12/2023 9:22 μ.μ., Bruce Morton wrote:

I thought an intriguing promise of doing documents in Github and in the same format is that we would see the requirements in the same section, which would allow for better management. Also, the proposal Paul brought forward for the BR of BRs would work much better if we use the same sections. I guess I am encouraging the move of EV from a non-standard format to a sort of standard RFC 3647 format would be to help provide document alignment.

+1 to Dimitris original suggestion.


 * https://github.com/cabforum/code-signing/compare/main...importEVG

This is currently WIP, maintaining the numbering of RFC 3647 section 6, and moving the EV Guidelines sections referenced by the CSBRs into new sections. We've done these conversions in the past and they worked pretty well, leading to consistently structured policy documents across the ecosystem.

It's not perfect but it tries to move requirements to where RFC 3647 and the BRs expect them to be. For example, section 11.14 of the EV Guidelines talks about re-use of existing documentation which fits into section 4.2.1 of the BRs.


Thanks,
Dimitris.

Thanks, Bruce.

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*Sent:* Monday, December 4, 2023 2:15 PM
*To:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>; Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]> *Cc:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <[email protected]> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

Dimitris, I think that we should focus on the EVG not on the CP/CPS. The CA´s CP/CPS will have that 3. 2. 1 section because it´s in the TLS BRs but that does not mean that the EVG must have also that section 3. 2. 1 (BTW, the section exist in the

Dimitris,

I think that we should focus on the EVG not on the CP/CPS. The CA´s CP/CPS will have that 3.2.1 section because it´s in the TLS BRs but that does not mean that the EVG must have also that section 3.2.1 (BTW, the section exist in the TLS BRs but with no content). At the end of the day, every CA issuing TLS certs will have to follow the TLS BRs and EVGs and then accommodate their CP/CPSes according to both documents.

I understand your point to be stricter in the implementation of that specific point but  for every CA to change/update their current CP/CPS with the new EVG in the RFC 3647 format, would find it easier to where to make those changes/adjustments in their own CP/CPS if we can convert easily the current section 11 into 3.2 and not to start looking into different numbers to make that change.

Regards

*De:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
*Enviado el:* lunes, 4 de diciembre de 2023 20:02
*Para:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>; Inigo Barreira <[email protected]> *CC:* CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List <[email protected]> *Asunto:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

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FWIW, there are informational RFCs that include SHOULD requirements (I didn't check for other informational RFCs that might contain SHALL requirements). Take a look at RFC 8894 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8894__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBI0YJAc7w$>.

I agree that there seems to be some ambiguity in the REQUIRED CP/CPS structure but the entire reasoning behind using the "RFC 3647 format" was to align CP and CPS documents so that comparisons can be made across different CAs. If one CA reads that they must follow a 2-level structure based on section 4, and another CA reads that they must follow the structure of section 6 of the RFC, we're not meeting the goal for alignment and easy comparisons.

Digicert's CPS seems to follow the structure of section 6 of RFC 3647. Has anyone spotted a CPS claiming compliance with the TLS BRs that is not following the section 6 structure of 3647?

If all existing public CAs follow the structure of section 6 of 3647 in their CP/CPS documents, we can just clarify that the expectation is what Ben mentioned in https://github.com/BenWilson-Mozilla/pkipolicy/commit/1a94642cb95017cf382e4e93811db16a2342a806 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/github.com/BenWilson-Mozilla/pkipolicy/commit/1a94642cb95017cf382e4e93811db16a2342a806__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBIIavReJg$>, so that we address this ambiguity. We probably don't even need an effective date if it causes no issue on existing CAs.

My point is that if we leave this open to interpretation, we can't compare CP/CPS sections across multiple CAs efficiently, and this defeats the whole purpose of the requirement to structure CP/CPS documents according to RFC 3647. We might as well abandon the idea of converting the EV Guidelines into that format.

I believe that the intent has always been to enforce a "stricter" alignment. But if indeed there are deviations, I'd support some stricter language to align CP/CPS documents according to section 6 of RFC 3647 even with a future effective date :)


Dimitris.

On 4/12/2023 7:27 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek wrote:

    Yeah, the fact that the section 6 outline goes deeper than the
    actual described format in section 4 is annoying, and you’re
    right, it’s probably the source of these disagreements.  I always
    look at section 4, because it has the actual guidance about what
    sort of information should be considered for inclusion.

    This is what happens when people try to turn informational
    documents into normative requirements. You have to try to
    interpret what phrases like “are strongly advised to adhere”,
    which isn’t even a RFC 2119 SHOULD.  And it can’t even be a
    SHOULD, because as an informational RFC, it is prohibited from
    having requirements, even SHOULDs!  That’s why it’s written that
    way.  Also, informational RFCs are not examined as closely for
    inconsistencies (because there are no requirements!) which is how
    divergences like section 4 vs 6 happen.  It wasn’t intended to be
    used as a compliance document.

    I still think what Inigo did is perfectly fine, although there are
    lots of other perfectly fine solutions, too.  What we need to be
    discussing is what’s best for us, not RFC 3647 requires, because
    RFC 3647 has infinite leeway.  As Aaron and I have been pointing
    out, you’ll find lots of divergences at level three, and there’s
    even lots of additional content in level two, just because a lot
    of newer content doesn’t really have a good fit in RFC 3647.

    Now, that said, we might want to be more strict in the future, and
    if we choose to do so, we can be. I just don’t want people
    overstating what the rules actually are, because a lot of people’s
    time has been wasted enforcing RFC 3647 in a way that is far
    stricter than was ever intended (one of the reasons I’m so vocal
    on this issue is because I got this point of view from one of the
    original authors).

    -Tim

    *From:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>
    *Sent:* Saturday, December 2, 2023 5:26 AM
    *To:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
    <mailto:[email protected]>; Inigo Barreira
    <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
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    *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC 3647
    format pre-ballot

    We still have a disagreement so please allow me one more attempt
    to clarify my position because it seems you didn't check the links
    included in my previous post. I will copy some of that text here
    for convenience.

    On 1/12/2023 11:31 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek wrote:

        No.

        IETF has both Normative and Informative RFCs.  While it is
        true that compliance with a Normative RFC is voluntary, if you
        do choose to comply, the RFC has requirements stated in RFC
        2119 standards language that make it clear what the compliance
        rules are.  Informative RFCs like 3647 do not have any
        normative requirements at all.  They merely contain information.

        “all sections of the RFC 3647 framework” is fine, this covers
        the sections enumerated in RFC 3647 section 4, which includes
        the TOP TWO levels of an outline in numbered form, e.g. the
        requirements for section 3.2 are described in RFC 3647 section
        4.3.2.  There is no RFC 3647 section 4.3.2.1, which proves my
        point.  RFC 3647 only has a two level outline structure.


    I think I might have a hint on our disconnect. RFC 3647 has an
    indicative Table of Contents in Chapter 6
    (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3647#section-6
    
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3647*section-6__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBKp_QdGmg$>)
    outlining the proposed CP/CPS sections and subsections using 3 levels.

    Here is the text of the opening paragraph of that section
    (emphasis added):


           This section contains a recommended outline for a set of
        provisions,

           intended to serve as a checklist or (with some further
        development) a

           standard template for use by CP or CPS writers.  Such a common

           outline will facilitate:

           (a) Comparison of two certificate policies during cross-

               certification or other forms of interoperation (for the
        purpose

               of equivalency mapping).

           (b) Comparison of a CPS with a CP to ensure that the CPS
        faithfully

               implements the policy.

           (c) Comparison of two CPSs.

        *   In order to comply with the RFC, the drafters of a
        compliant CP or*

        *   CPS are strongly advised to adhere to this outline.*  While use of 
an

           alternate outline is discouraged, it may be accepted if a
        proper

           justification is provided for the deviation and a mapping
        table is

           provided to readily discern where each of the items
        described in this

           outline is provided.


    The reason the CA/B Forum BRs were structured according to this
    outline was to assist with comparisons between CP/CPS documents of
    different CAs, making the review of these documents easier.

    That's why you see sections like 1.5.4 "CPS approval procedures"
    in the BRs as an empty section with "No Stipulation". There are
    many such sections in the BRs, all coming from section 6 of RFC 3647.

    I hope this is clearer now.


        BR Section 2.2 needs to be re-written, as there are no
        materials required by RFC 3647 (because RFC 3647 contains no
        requirements).  It needs to say something like “structured in
        accordance with RFC 3647 and MUST include all sections of the
        outline described in section 4” or something like that. What
        it says right now doesn’t capture the intent that you
        correctly summarized.


    During the last couple of years reviewing CP/CPS documents, I saw
    some uniformity at least in Publicly Trusted CAs, and they all
    seem to follow the BRs structure which comes from the outline of
    section 6 of RFC 3647. However, it's not a bad idea to further
    clarify BR section 2.2 to better meet the expectations.


        The MSRP language is better, I think I may have made all of
        these same points when it was being drafted, which is why it
        says “section and subsection” (two levels) and uses
        “structured according to” and not “complies with the
        requirements of”.

        But anyway, this is all background that supports what I’ve
        been saying all along: BR 3.2 is a RFC 3647 section.  BR 3.2.1
        **is not** a RFC 3647 required section, nor is it even a
        section that is even mentioned in RFC 3647.  If you don’t
        believe me, please go to RFC 3647, Section 4.3.2.1 and read
        what it says.  OH, WAIT, IT DOESN’T EXIST! 😊


    To my point, BR 3.2.1 IS an RFC 3647 required section as it is
    explicitly mentioned in the outline of section 6 of RFC 3647:


        3.2.1  Method to prove possession of private key


    Details about the contents of that section can be found in the
    first bullet of section 4.3.2 of RFC 3647
    
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3647*section-4.3.2__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBIL19sP_w$>.


    Does that make more sense?

    Dimitris.


        -Tim

        *From:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]>
        *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2023 1:04 PM
        *To:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
        <mailto:[email protected]>; Inigo Barreira
        <[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>
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        *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into RFC
        3647 format pre-ballot

        Hi Tim,

        None of the IETF standards set policy unless they are invited
        by some policy authority :) The BRs set such policy and
        "import" some documents, such as RFC 5280, 3647 and others.

        The BRs in section 1.1 state:



            These Requirements do not address all of the issues
            relevant to the issuance and management of
            Publicly-Trusted Certificates. In accordance with RFC 3647
            and to facilitate a comparison of other certificate
            policies and CPSs (e.g. for policy mapping), this document
            includes all sections of the RFC 3647 framework. However,
            rather than beginning with a "no stipulation" comment in
            all empty sections, the CA/Browser Forum is leaving such
            sections initially blank until a decision of "no
            stipulation" is made


        In addition, section 2.2 states (emphasis added):



            The Certificate Policy and/or Certification Practice
            Statement MUST be structured in accordance with RFC 3647
            and *MUST include all material required by RFC 3647*.


        If you go back to the discussions when the CA/B Forum decide
        to align with the "RFC 3647 format", we agreed to include each
        and every section of the outline as a minimum set.

        MRSP states in section 3.3 (5) (again, emphasis added):



            5. all CPs, CPSes, and combined CP/CPSes MUST be
            structured according to RFC 3647 and MUST:

                - include *at least every section and subsection
            defined in RFC 3647*;
                - only use the words "No Stipulation" to mean that the
            particular document imposes no requirements related to
            that section; and
                - contain no sections that are blank and have no
            subsections;


        So, with all that considered, when we visit section 6 of RFC
        3647
        
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3647*section-6__;Iw!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBKp_QdGmg$>
        ("the outline"), the expectation is to include each and every
        section and subsection of the outline (up to three levels).

        CAs are free to add MORE sections and subsections as they
        desire, just like the BRs have done, but we can't escape or
        "hijack" an existing RFC 3647 section number. The outline
        contains a specific section labeled as "3.2.1  Method to prove
        possession of private key". That means we cannot re-use the
        number 3.2.1 for something else.

        I hope this sounds reasonable to people.

        Dimitris.


        On 1/12/2023 6:51 μ.μ., Tim Hollebeek wrote:

            This is unfortunately wrong.  There are lots of
            misconceptions about RFC 3647 “compliance”.

            The first point is that RFC 3647 is an INFORMATIONAL RFC. 
            You can see this right at the top, where it says
            “Category: Informational”.  This means that it contains no
            requirements and it’s impossible to be out of compliance
            with it.  This is why I put quotes around “compliance”.
            Any requirements around it need to come from elsewhere,
            for example, a root program requirement that requires a
            particular document to be in RFC 3647 format.  But that’s
            vague and informal, because 3647 doesn’t have
            requirements, it just has an outline and suggested
            contents.  It’s not 100% precise what “MUST be in RFC 3647
            format” means, and we need to just acknowledge that
            (specifying it precisely would be a colossal waste of time).

            So what does “RFC 3647 format” mean? RFC 3647’s outline
            only covers the first two levels.  So “Section 3.2:
            Initial Identity Validation” is a RFC 3647 section header,
            and most reasonable interpretations of “RFC 3647 format”
            would require it to exist with that or a substantially
            similar name and contents.

            Section 3.2.1, on the other hand, is not an RFC 3647
            section.  It’s common to have a third level of headers
            that mirror the “bullet points” in the suggested content
            for the section, but those are just unordered bullet lists
            in RFC 3647.  Claiming that section 3.2.1 of a document in
            RFC 3647 must describe private key protection goes beyond
            what RFC 3647 says. Section 3.2 just “contains the
            following elements”, so private key protection is just one
            of several topics that one might discuss in section 3.2. 
            It could be section 3.2.1, but it could be elsewhere in
            3.2, and it’s perfectly fine for 3.2.1 to not exist, have
            different content, etc.

            Figuring out where section 11.1 goes is not trivial, but
            at first glance, section 3.2 is not an unreasonable
            choice, and I can understand why Inigo made it.  And there
            isn’t a compliance reason why it can’t be section 3.2.1,
            if that’s what we want.

            Of course, we could convert the recommended bulleted
            sections to a numbered list of subsections (we often do
            elsewhere), in which case section 3.2.1 could be “Private
            Key Protection” with contents “No Stipulation”.  If we do
            that, I suggest we follow the rest of the bullets as well.

            Either way works.

            -Tim

            *From:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>
            *Sent:* Friday, December 1, 2023 10:48 AM
            *To:* Inigo Barreira <[email protected]>
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            *Cc:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
            <mailto:[email protected]>; CA/B Forum Server
            Certificate WG Public Discussion List
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            *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs into
            RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

            We MUST comply with RFC 3647 which means that we must
            include sections that are listed in the outline of 3647,
            and if we have nothing to say, we leave it empty. We can't
            "hijack" the numbering just because we have no
            requirements to describe.

            That's my interpretation of the RFC 3647 compliance.
            Perhaps others can chime in and state their opinion.


            Thanks,

            DZ.

            Dec 1, 2023 14:50:23 Inigo Barreira
            <[email protected]>:

                Thanks Dimitris.

                I think that strictly speaking, in RFC 3647 this
                section is the 4.3.2 Initial Identity Validation and
                the first bullet is about proving the possession of
                the private key, but there´s no specific section other
                than the general approach that we´ve implemented.

                That said, the current EVG does not include anything
                about the possession of the private key because that´s
                covered in the TLS BRs so that section does not exist
                in the EVGs and therefore I didn´t know how to
                avoid/implement it.

                I decided to continue with the normal numbering for an
                easy checking, so all 11 section is moved into section
                3.2 and the rest of the sub-numbers do not change (so
                11.1 would be 3.2.1, 11.1.1 would be 3.2.1.1, etc.)

                I understand your point but I think we can´t create a
                section 3.2.1 for private key possession because
                there´s no such a text in the EVGs (and don´t think we
                should add anything new, even a NA for that) and don´t
                know which other sections we can create under 3.2 that
                can break the current equivalence, which again was
                done for an easy comparison.

                So, what would you suggest to “comply” with that? I
                don´t have a clear idea.

                Regards

                *De:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
                *Enviado el:* jueves, 30 de noviembre de 2023 13:16
                *Para:* Inigo Barreira <[email protected]>;
                Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>; CA/B Forum
                Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List
                <[email protected]>
                *Asunto:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
                into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

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                Inigo,

                As I am working to migrate the EV Guidelines into the
                EV Code Signing Baseline Requirements I took a look at
                the mapping you provided for the EV Guidelines and
                noticed that you are proposing migration of EVG
                section 11.1 into section 3.2.1. This particular
                section is labeled "Method to prove possession of
                private key" in RFC 3647 so I don't think it is
                appropriate. I think it's best to create new
                subsections under 3.2.

                Thanks,
                Dimitris.

                On 8/9/2023 7:54 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira wrote:

                    Hi all,

                    Attached you´ll find the EVG v1.8.0 with comments
                    in all sections indicating where those sections,
                    and the content, have been moved into the new EVG
                    RFC3647 format. So, with this document, plus the
                    redlined version, I hope you can have now a
                    clearer view of the changes done.

                    Let me know if you need anything else to clarify
                    the new version.

                    Regards

                    *De:*Inigo Barreira <[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>
                    *Enviado el:* martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 17:06
                    *Para:* Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>; Dimitris
                    Zacharopoulos (HARICA) <[email protected]>
                    <mailto:[email protected]>; CA/B Forum Server
                    Certificate WG Public Discussion List
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                    *Asunto:* RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
                    into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

                    Thanks Dimitris and Tim.

                    I did something of that internally but didn´t
                    reflect on the document, so will try to reproduce
                    to have it clearer.

                    OTOH, and as indicated in the PR, the whole
                    section 11 has been placed in section 3.2 keeping
                    the rest of the numbering. So, for example:

                    EVG EVG3647

                    11.1 3.2.1

                    11.1.1 3.2.1.1

                    11.1.2 3.2.1.2

                    11.1.3 3.2.1.3

                    11.2 3.2.2

                    11.2.1 3.2.2.1

                    ….. ….

                    11.13 3.2.13

                    11.14 3.2.14

                    11.14.1 3.2.14.1

                    11.14.2 3.2.14.2

                    11.14.3 3.2.14.3

                    Hope this can clarify the main difficult that I
                    found in the document, where to place it and how.

                    Regards

                    *De:*Tim Hollebeek <[email protected]>
                    *Enviado el:* martes, 29 de agosto de 2023 16:59
                    *Para:* Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                    <[email protected]>; Inigo Barreira
                    <[email protected]>; CA/B Forum Server
                    Certificate WG Public Discussion List
                    <[email protected]>
                    *Asunto:* RE: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert EVGs
                    into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

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                    Yes, exactly.  I would like to see a list that
                    shows that EVG-classic section 1.4 is now in
                    EVG-3647 section 4.1. Then I can look at where the
                    new text landed, see how the conversion was
                    handled, we can all verify that nothing was lost
                    or left out, etc.

                    Without that, anyone attempting to review the
                    document is forced to recreate the mapping just to
                    figure out where everything went and that nothing
                    was missed or put in the wrong place. Redlines are
                    not sufficient when large amounts of text are
                    moving around to different places.

                    I’m saying this because from my spot-checking, the
                    conversion appears to be pretty good, and I’d like
                    to be able to do a final verification that it’s
                    mostly correct so I can endorse.

                    -Tim

                    *From:*Dimitris Zacharopoulos (HARICA)
                    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
                    *Sent:* Tuesday, August 29, 2023 7:58 AM
                    *To:* Inigo Barreira <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>; CA/B Forum
                    Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>; Tim
                    Hollebeek <[email protected]
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                    *Subject:* Re: [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert
                    EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

                    Hi Inigo,

                    You can take some guidance from previous
                    successful efforts to convert existing documents
                    into RFC 3647 format. The latest attempt was in
                    the Code Signing BRs conversion in May 2022. Check
                    out the mapping document and the comments in the
                    ballot discussion period
                    
<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/lists.cabforum.org/pipermail/cscwg-public/2022-May/000795.html__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!cDhQeVwolbnJ6hdDSRwEKs2w1lDqgYkiUHc4ApuZ3kUIV3BDxbQ0XAAIsJDbSWbqRevehayXBz_oc-H9s1zZDBLzwUxa3A$>.

                    For each existing section/paragraph, it would be
                    nice to have a comment describing where that
                    existing language will land in the converted
                    document (destination). This will allow all
                    existing text to be accounted for.

                    During this process, you might encounter duplicate
                    or redundant text which needs to be flagged
                    accordingly. You might also get into some
                    uncertainty as to which RFC3647 section is a best
                    fit for existing text that might require
                    additional discussion.

                    I hope this helps.


                    Dimitris.

                    On 29/8/2023 12:42 μ.μ., Inigo Barreira via
                    Servercert-wg wrote:

                        Hi Tim,

                        See attached redlined and current versions. I
                        just used what Martijn suggested yesterday but
                        let me know if this is what you were looking for.

                        Regards

                        *De:*Tim Hollebeek
                        <[email protected]>
                        <mailto:[email protected]>
                        *Enviado el:* lunes, 28 de agosto de 2023 19:49
                        *Para:* Inigo Barreira
                        <[email protected]>
                        <mailto:[email protected]>; CA/B
                        Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion
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                        Thanks for doing this Inigo … I know
                        re-organizations like this are a lot of work
                        and fall very much in the category of
                        “important but not fun”.  So thanks for taking
                        an initial stab at this.

                        Is there a mapping that shows where all the
                        original text ended up?  I think that’s going
                        to be essential for people to be able to
                        review this.  I did some spot checking, and
                        your conversion looks pretty good, but I
                        wasn’t able to do a more detailed review
                        without a mapping.

                        -Tim

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                        *Subject:* [Servercert-wg] SC-065: Convert
                        EVGs into RFC 3647 format pre-ballot

                        Hello,

                        The current Extended Validation Guidelines
                        (EVGs) are written in a non-standardized
                        format. For many years it has been discussed
                        to convert this document into the RFC 3647
                        format and follow the standardized model for
                        this type of documents.

                        Given that this has been known for several
                        years, I have prepared the following ballot
                        text, which converts the EVGs into the RFC
                        3647 format:

                        EVGs based on RFC3647 by barrini · Pull
                        Request #440 · cabforum/servercert
                        (github.com)
                        
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                        I am currently seeking two endorsers as well
                        as any feedback on the ballot content itself
                        (wording, effective dates, etc.).

                        Thanks,

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