On 7/9/07, Mark T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
kitplummer wrote:
>
> On 7/5/07, Mark T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> kitplummer wrote:
>> >
>> > On 7/5/07, Mark T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> kitplummer wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Mark T. wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> bsnyder wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> On 7/3/07, Mark T. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> If I am only using the binary installations of ServiceMix. Do I
>> >> have
>> >> >>>> to have
>> >> >>>> maven installed?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I am planning on using ant for any JBI packaging or static
>> >> >>>> configuration.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> No, Maven is not required if you're only using the binary
>> download.
>> >> >>> Maven is required if you are:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> a) Building the ServiceMix source code
>> >> >>> b) Using ServiceMix Maven archetypes to create SU and SA project
>> >> >>> skeletons
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Bruce
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> perl -e 'print
>> >> >>>
>> unpack("u30","D0G)[EMAIL PROTECTED]&5R\"F)R=6-E+G-N>61E<D\!G;6%I;\"YC;VT*"
>> >> >>> );'
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Apache Geronimo - http://geronimo.apache.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ActiveMQ - http://activemq.org/
>> >> >>> Apache ServiceMix - http://servicemix.org/
>> >> >>> Castor - http://castor.org/
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Can you clarify SU and SA? thanks.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I finally got my blog back up. I'd posted a screencast of putting
>> >> > together a SU/SA package a while back - think it might be beneficial
>> to
>> >> > see the power of the maven archetypes.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>>
http://www.blackholelogic.com/assets/2007/7/5/servicemix-lwcontainer_screencast.mov
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for all the info. The main point I am curious to find out is
>> >> that
>> >> while most of the examples, in the links that were provided, use maven
>> to
>> >> create SU/SA packages. Is it possible to create functioning SU/SA
>> >> packages
>> >> with out using Maven? Is there a significant difference in effort to
>> >> create
>> >> the packages in something other than maven? Thanks
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> >>
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11448595
>> >> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I think you've answered your own question. The lack of
>> > examples/documentation on using Ant to package JBI stuff would signify
>> > a difference of effort. I believe some of the examples still have Ant
>> > builds - but, I don't think they really show any of the packaging
>> > (SA). Might check the loan-broker example.
>> >
>> > Is there a reason why you want to stay away from Maven?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Thanks for the answer. As a system administrator I am trying to
>> determine
>> requirements for the use/support for ServiceMix and or Maven. As Maven
>> would require an additional repository to maintain in my environment, I
>> was
>> curious if not using Maven was an option; while still providing
>> developers
>> the tools to develop and deploy packages to Service Mix.
>>
>>
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11449461
>> Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
> Yep. Been there.
>
> I realize there's a bit of a learning curve (more so than Ant) to
> Maven. But, the overhead (resources) required by Maven is well worth
> the efficiency in development. My employer was very hesitant about
> Maven and the management of Open libraries and their versions -
> initially. We've come to greatly value what the public and local
> Maven repos provide. As you build SE/BC/SA/SU components having a
> local repository is of great value.
>
> What we do locally is embed a Maven repo inside of a Subversion
> repository. This way we can control library versions, and lock-down
> for access control. So, if a particular component requires some
> special version we can capture it locally, and reference it from
> Maven's pom.xml in the component. We also use the same repository to
> home internally developed components - as to be used by anyone inside
> our company firewall.
>
> We've also come to greatly appreciate Maven's integration with
> Continuum as well as many of the other plugins (Javadoc generation,
> site generation, etc.). Dependency management is huge though - and I
> don't think there is anything even remotely close from any other tool.
> By using Maven's site building plugin we get a fabricated transitive
> dependency report which we use in Technology Readiness Reviews (before
> we go production). We know EXACTLY what is needed to deploy.
>
> Anyway - don't get hung up on Mavens steep learning curve...and don't
> let developer's laziness curb you either. Ant is nice - but, Maven is
> powerful.
>
>
By the way, what is the size of your Maven repository?
--
View this message in context:
http://www.nabble.com/ServiceMix-without-Maven-tf4020828s12049.html#a11507864
Sent from the ServiceMix - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
It is roughly 450MB.
--
Kit Plummer
Nobody-in-Charge @ Black:Hole:Logic
http://www.blackholelogic.com
