[answering to the list, to dissuade people from believing this line of
argumentaion is valid]
On Wed, 10 May 2000, QuantumMan wrote:
> Dear Nic,
> Its obvious to me you know little about Java.
I am not Nic, but judging Java knowledge from a post on list policy is
even more lame than face reading. Also, irrelevant to whether he is right
or wrong.
> These forums are for helping people out. Imagine what the guy you
> sounded off to thinks. Now he's afraid to ask questions.
That's not bad per se. Maybe it will cross his mind to go to a more
appropriate place so that he gets a faster answer from more appropriate
people. I wonder, if this and all other people of similar behaviour (e.g.
those posting repeatedly Javascript questions) would dare do so if they
were in front of a microphone in an auditorium with 3,000 people (see
bottom).
> You can't control what people post on forums such as this. If you
> don't like it, kindly just delete it and move on. I have 700 messages
> to wade through every few days looking for things I can learn from or
> help others with.
This is the major source of misunderstanding: THIS IS NOT A FORUM!!! It is
a mailing-list on a VERY specific topic, i.e. Java servlets. If we liked
wading we would have been flipping through comp.lang.java.programmer. My
newsreader just informed me it has 18,000 new messages. THAT is a forum
and one can go there and ask wonderful questions. In fact TextArea was
highly discussed there right now, just like two months ago when I had
checked again, always the question being if you can have multiple fonts in
it. Smileys would be a breeze of change. On the periphery of java
servlets, SOME questions on server-side processing and communication are
normal. Marginally, some slightly off-topic questions might be answered in
an attempt to 'enlighten' a novice list user. Other off-topic questions
are occasionally dealt with direct mailing. This is what Nic suggested, I
believe.
> I do it for your benefit too. I've been programming since the late
> 60's. There's always something to learn even from people who post
> weird questions. Let the Internet be. Readers do not appreciate
> belligerence, even mine.
>
I am also sorry for the flower-power era being over and all that,
particularly as I was busier doing other things than coding at the time.
However, apart from a small spot in Hyde Park, appropriately dubbed the
speaker's corner, I know of no other place where one can bubble on
irrelevant issues and the audience won't be annoyed.
> Seriously, servlets are Java classes. Text Areas are java classes. I use
> them in many of my applications. You can write a servlet to do a chat
> room. A text area would be a logical choice to include in the
> application. I am writing one for my family use and business use. There's
> NOTHING wrong with posting questions concerning these topics to this
> Servlet forum.
As said, it is not a forum, and of course there is nothing wrong with
asking questions on how to use java classes in SERVLETS. However, I bet
you use I/O a lot in your servlets. How about a barrage of questions and
answers on how to move a directory on Unix through Java? Or do you
really think that we have no other questions in (programming) life?
> I am positive that the thousands of readers and writers who particpate
> in this forum would agree with me, especially the Sun company.
I speak for myself (usually) and I say you could not be more wrong. You do
not need to speculate about Sun. Have a go with the statement of purpose
for this list. If you look carefully you may also find out that actually
THERE IS a servlet-forum (18 subscribers) which is different from
servlet-interest (3,173 subscribers).
Enjoy the list,
Kostas
> Have a good day sir.
>
> Charles Bell alias QuantumMan@quantumhyperspace
> http://www.quantumhyperspace.com
>
> Nic Ferrier wrote:
>
> > >chat software is a servlet
> >
> > Sure... but TextArea's are not related in any way.
> >
> > I have to say I am more cross with you than the poster.
> >
> > If *you* wish to reply to such off-topic posts *you* should do it off
> > list.
> >
> > Why you feel the need to give us all the benefit of your wisdom I
> > don't know.
> >
> > *I* mailed the individual in question and told him to take his query
> > off list - which is what should be done, because then the experts who
> > devote their time to this list will not leave for other places.
> >
> > Nic Ferrier
>
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