Hi forum and some other persons,
Please do not start a bitter war among us. We all like java
and this technology and that is why we joined this forum. I
understand somebody asked for some help and some persons may
have some bitter experience for a partly shattered dream,
but that does not mean that Java is not good, or not so well
prepared (though sun microsystems denied for third time the
european software standard for standardizing Java) for mission
critical software development, neither it is a time for mere
jingoism. Without being a good language it is not possible to
withstand so many years of rigorous programminf testing and
testing for real time applications and mission critical
projects. BTW, this is not true that they have stolen ideas
from Java. If I am not wrong, Java language borrows ideas
from some old and novel programming languages like Lisp and
Smalltalk (and C++ also). The automatic garbage collection is
not new, for just an example, it was there in Lisp, and the
programming languages like Smalltalk used the OO methodology
for long time. Java boasts for being a complete OO language,
but it does not support multiple inheritence, which is a very
basic concept and a language which boasts as a good Object
Oriented language should have given the facility to use and
test multiple inheritence (some guys will definitely talk
at this moment about interfaces, but that does not solve the
problem due to the lack of multiple inheritence facility and
we already experience the need of it, even for some not-so-big
software development, for research purpose). Moreover the idea
and design of OO method is important, and it is more important
to think in Object Oriented fashion rather than writing a
program in Java. Some newbies think that OO technology is
introduced by Java. To be clear, the OO style of thinking and
OO design was there long before Java came to the market, and
this idea is not a proprietory idea of Java. Java is just a
language which facilitates the programming, after the design
of the program has been done in OO fashion. From Software
technological concept, you can write an OO program in any
given language, even in COBOL. So do not mix these things in
your mind. But above all these I also like Java for its
huge collection of built-in functions and versatile nature of
covering so many aspects of programming needs. But if I am not
wrong, Lisp also covers a vast library of built-in functions,
which even include (e.g) a function to fetch the first item,
second item or third item of a list (though the question will
come, do we really need all these... in the same way we can
ask do we really need the method lastElement of a Vector class
when we have the size function ?) But anyway it is true that
we are becoming lazy day by day (I do not know whether this is
good or bad for programmers or developers.) And moreover the
speed of Java is not even close to a Perl or C program even
after the latest releases of JDK. The recent, huge and global
trend of servlet technology is good for some reasons, but I
believe CGI programming in scripting languages are not so bad
either. Anyway these are just personal choices and also some
way depends on marketing a particular product. But having
said all these, I will definitely use Vectors and like to
program in Java, and like to use servlets. I think it is not
a matter of bitterness or jingoism, but it is more important
to use the good features of languages, so many of them are
available to us nowadays, and we should feel fortunate for
that. Anyway I like to hear technical issues only related to
servlet, and not interested in getting mails for this kind
of quarrel. WE ARE HERE TO DEVELOP AND UPGRADE OURSELVES, &
I THINK EVERYBODY WILL AGREE WITH ME.
Thanks to all of you for your time, who have read this mail
till the end.
Sandip
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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, George I Matkovits wrote:
> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:26:53 -0500
> From: George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: about jsp, servlets and java
>
> It is nice to hear from a bitter, failed .com billionaire. It may be just you and
> NOT Java? Java is just a very nice portable language to write bigger and better
> systems in BUT it is not a substitute for system knowledge or 40 hour days. Good
> luck with C#, you will need it! (-: they stole all the ideas from Java but the
> name)
> Regards - George
>
> "Frank D. Greco" wrote:
>
> > At 01:41 PM 9/23/00 +0530, Partha Bhattacharjee wrote:
> >
> > >4> Perhaps the most asked, most answered , most debated and still the most
> > >poorly understood stuff. Is java boom a reality or a hoax?
> >
> > Its basically a hoax.
> >
> > After giving the first Java tutorial on 9/25/95, running a successful
> > all-Java development company for 5 years, chairing the ny java user
> > group with 2,500 wild and crazy members, speaking on Java in front
> > of 1,500 people at JavaOne, developing/deploying mission-critical Java
> > apps every 3 months for wall street clients, writing cool wireless apps
> > totally in Java and now working on next-gen java-based PDA's, I can
> > unequivocally say that Java is a hoax.
> >
> > I thought I was going to be a billionaire. I'm not. Java is a sham...
> >
> > Frank G.
> > - C# is Going to Bb
> > ;>
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