Relax, I think it was a joke. Java may not solve all the worlds
problems, and it may never be a great a GUI langauge, but in the
server side arena it works *really* well. Right now I'm working on
a project to convert one of the larger sites on the web (upwards
of 1000 requests per second) to servlets and WebMacro.
All I see these days is more and more sites migrating to servlets.
Java has long since got past proving itself and is, in this arena,
now a proven, reliable, scalable technology.
The last year has made a real difference, the recent JVM's are
hugely better than what we had to work with before.
Justin Wells
WebMacro Servlet Framework
Own your own work: www.webmacro.org
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Quoting Sandip Debnath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Hi forum and some other persons,
> Please do not start a bitter war among us. We all like java
> and this technology and that is why we joined this forum. I
> understand somebody asked for some help and some persons may
> have some bitter experience for a partly shattered dream,
> but that does not mean that Java is not good, or not so well
> prepared (though sun microsystems denied for third time the
> european software standard for standardizing Java) for mission
> critical software development, neither it is a time for mere
> jingoism. Without being a good language it is not possible to
> withstand so many years of rigorous programminf testing and
> testing for real time applications and mission critical
> projects. BTW, this is not true that they have stolen ideas
> from Java. If I am not wrong, Java language borrows ideas
> from some old and novel programming languages like Lisp and
> Smalltalk (and C++ also). The automatic garbage collection is
> not new, for just an example, it was there in Lisp, and the
> programming languages like Smalltalk used the OO methodology
> for long time. Java boasts for being a complete OO language,
> but it does not support multiple inheritence, which is a very
> basic concept and a language which boasts as a good Object
> Oriented language should have given the facility to use and
> test multiple inheritence (some guys will definitely talk
> at this moment about interfaces, but that does not solve the
> problem due to the lack of multiple inheritence facility and
> we already experience the need of it, even for some not-so-big
> software development, for research purpose). Moreover the idea
> and design of OO method is important, and it is more important
> to think in Object Oriented fashion rather than writing a
> program in Java. Some newbies think that OO technology is
> introduced by Java. To be clear, the OO style of thinking and
> OO design was there long before Java came to the market, and
> this idea is not a proprietory idea of Java. Java is just a
> language which facilitates the programming, after the design
> of the program has been done in OO fashion. From Software
> technological concept, you can write an OO program in any
> given language, even in COBOL. So do not mix these things in
> your mind. But above all these I also like Java for its
> huge collection of built-in functions and versatile nature of
> covering so many aspects of programming needs. But if I am not
> wrong, Lisp also covers a vast library of built-in functions,
> which even include (e.g) a function to fetch the first item,
> second item or third item of a list (though the question will
> come, do we really need all these... in the same way we can
> ask do we really need the method lastElement of a Vector class
> when we have the size function ?) But anyway it is true that
> we are becoming lazy day by day (I do not know whether this is
> good or bad for programmers or developers.) And moreover the
> speed of Java is not even close to a Perl or C program even
> after the latest releases of JDK. The recent, huge and global
> trend of servlet technology is good for some reasons, but I
> believe CGI programming in scripting languages are not so bad
> either. Anyway these are just personal choices and also some
> way depends on marketing a particular product. But having
> said all these, I will definitely use Vectors and like to
> program in Java, and like to use servlets. I think it is not
> a matter of bitterness or jingoism, but it is more important
> to use the good features of languages, so many of them are
> available to us nowadays, and we should feel fortunate for
> that. Anyway I like to hear technical issues only related to
> servlet, and not interested in getting mails for this kind
> of quarrel. WE ARE HERE TO DEVELOP AND UPGRADE OURSELVES, &
> I THINK EVERYBODY WILL AGREE WITH ME.
> Thanks to all of you for your time, who have read this mail
> till the end.
> Sandip
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, George I Matkovits wrote:
>
> > Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:26:53 -0500
> > From: George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: about jsp, servlets and java
> >
> > It is nice to hear from a bitter, failed .com billionaire. It may be just you and
> > NOT Java? Java is just a very nice portable language to write bigger and better
> > systems in BUT it is not a substitute for system knowledge or 40 hour days. Good
> > luck with C#, you will need it! (-: they stole all the ideas from Java but the
> > name)
> > Regards - George
> >
> > "Frank D. Greco" wrote:
> >
> > > At 01:41 PM 9/23/00 +0530, Partha Bhattacharjee wrote:
> > >
> > > >4> Perhaps the most asked, most answered , most debated and still the most
> > > >poorly understood stuff. Is java boom a reality or a hoax?
> > >
> > > Its basically a hoax.
> > >
> > > After giving the first Java tutorial on 9/25/95, running a successful
> > > all-Java development company for 5 years, chairing the ny java user
> > > group with 2,500 wild and crazy members, speaking on Java in front
> > > of 1,500 people at JavaOne, developing/deploying mission-critical Java
> > > apps every 3 months for wall street clients, writing cool wireless apps
> > > totally in Java and now working on next-gen java-based PDA's, I can
> > > unequivocally say that Java is a hoax.
> > >
> > > I thought I was going to be a billionaire. I'm not. Java is a sham...
> > >
> > > Frank G.
> > > - C# is Going to Bb
> > > ;>
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