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Please remember that a mailing list can be both for newbies and for veterans if
that's what you would like to call yourselves. I totally agree that we should
make more awareness of those common meterials like FAQ's to newbies, but making
yourselves as KGB or Naze like masters are NOT the purpose of any mailing list.
Cheers,
Charles
George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/01/2000 09:39:07 PM
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From: George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 1 October 2000, 9:39 p.m.
Re: Thin skinned people. [Scanned by Yellow Pages PostMaster]
Please DO NOt do this, I also hate the volume of trivial mail BUT there is a
price for democracy. Newbies will become oldies eventually. IMHO the volume is
mostly due to the popularity of Java and Servlets. I personally despise 'Forum
Nazis'!!!!!!! (-: We could VOTE on banning people after a certain number of
infractions (this would be much more democratic :-), maybe over 20 votes the
address would be banned for a few months? Or would you like the appointment of
a 'Forum KGB'?
Regards - George
Stefan Demetz wrote:
> As posted before:
> Listmaster,
> please put a system in place
> where newbies are forced to read
> a minimum of information (tutorials,
> recommended books,dev kits, tools,
> FAQs, servers) before joining the lists,
> otherwise every day we get the same
> questions and the list gets very low tech
> You could do this by sending the links to
> this info first,then delaying the subscription
> by about 24 hours or so, so they can read up
> and download the basics
> OR
> split the list into one or more subtopics such as:
> newbie
> syntax
> databases, JDBC and drivers
> servlet engines specifics & installation
> state(session) management
> encryption/authentication/security
> scripting , xml,wml,wap ...
>
> discussions
> e.g servlets vs asp (or php,perl,cgi,..)
>
> If you need a pointer on how to run lists
> have a look at www.asplists.com : They have
> several hundred lists on everything touching
> ASP remotely
>
> SD
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 27 September 2000 18:57
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Thin skinned people.
>
> And you... why do you send that.... and me.. why did I send this???? ad
> infinitum.....
> beware... these messages *are* the virus
>
> Milt Epstein wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Godbey, David wrote:
> >
> > > Formerly RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: Running servlets in tomcat. RE:Date! RE:
> all
> > > the rude people
> > >
> > > Why do we waste so much band width on this drivel? It infuriates
> > > me. If you have issue with something someone said, why can't you
> > > take it off line, one-on-one?
> >
> > I don't know, why did you send this to the list?
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:36 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: RE: Running servlets in tomcat. RE:Date! RE: all
> > > the rude people
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Yamijala, Kalyan wrote:
> > >
> > > > I absolutely agree with you guys!! Active and advanced users like
> > > > you will obviously feel frustrated. But most users don't care to
> > > > read the policies when they join the user groups. And more
> > > > importantly most users "do not realize" that the questions they put
> > > > through are not meant to be asked here.
> > >
> > > Sounds like you're saying that "most users" are lazy (and hence, by
> > > extension, selfish and inconsiderate). If that's the case, I don't
> > > really care what they think. (I don't necessarily think that's the
> > > case, but there are some that are.)
> > >
> > >
> > > > The point I was trying to make was that the "tone" of emails
> > > > discouraging users from sending mails doesn't sound good. Some
> > > > comments sound like admonishment rather than discouragement. And
> > > > these comments invite unnecessary mails like the one that came as a
> > > > reply to Srini's.
> > > >
> > > > Why am I concerned? I am new to the group and servlets, and however
> > > > careful I may be, I may stumble across questions that I do not
> > > > realize are off topic, basic or even "stupid". And I wouldn't feel
> > > > comfortable seeing replies that sound like "get the hell outta
> > > > here".
> > > [ ... ]
> > >
> > > I think you may be overly concerned -- I think what people are really
> > > asking is that you think about whether your question is appropriate (a
> > > little common sense and experience comes in handy there) and make some
> > > effort to seek out the answer first on your own. If you give some
> > > indication that you've done that, I don't think people will hassle you.
> > >
> >
> > Milt Epstein
> > Research Programmer
> > Software/Systems Development Group
> > Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
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