I agree. We need some kind of 'democratic' solution. Voting? Any suggestions?
Regards - George
p.s. I know only one solution to the KGB problem, it is about 9 mm.
Charles Chen wrote:
> Contact: Tel: 2726 - New Media Systems, 1st Floor South, Queens Walk
>
> Please remember that a mailing list can be both for newbies and for veterans if
> that's what you would like to call yourselves. I totally agree that we should
> make more awareness of those common meterials like FAQ's to newbies, but making
> yourselves as KGB or Naze like masters are NOT the purpose of any mailing list.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Charles
>
> George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 10/01/2000 09:39:07 PM
>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> cc: (bcc: Charles Chen/YellowPages)
> From: George I Matkovits <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 1 October 2000, 9:39 p.m.
>
> Re: Thin skinned people. [Scanned by Yellow Pages PostMaster]
>
> Please DO NOt do this, I also hate the volume of trivial mail BUT there is a
> price for democracy. Newbies will become oldies eventually. IMHO the volume is
> mostly due to the popularity of Java and Servlets. I personally despise 'Forum
> Nazis'!!!!!!! (-: We could VOTE on banning people after a certain number of
> infractions (this would be much more democratic :-), maybe over 20 votes the
> address would be banned for a few months? Or would you like the appointment of
> a 'Forum KGB'?
> Regards - George
>
> Stefan Demetz wrote:
>
> > As posted before:
> > Listmaster,
> > please put a system in place
> > where newbies are forced to read
> > a minimum of information (tutorials,
> > recommended books,dev kits, tools,
> > FAQs, servers) before joining the lists,
> > otherwise every day we get the same
> > questions and the list gets very low tech
> > You could do this by sending the links to
> > this info first,then delaying the subscription
> > by about 24 hours or so, so they can read up
> > and download the basics
> > OR
> > split the list into one or more subtopics such as:
> > newbie
> > syntax
> > databases, JDBC and drivers
> > servlet engines specifics & installation
> > state(session) management
> > encryption/authentication/security
> > scripting , xml,wml,wap ...
> >
> > discussions
> > e.g servlets vs asp (or php,perl,cgi,..)
> >
> > If you need a pointer on how to run lists
> > have a look at www.asplists.com : They have
> > several hundred lists on everything touching
> > ASP remotely
> >
> > SD
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Fox [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 27 September 2000 18:57
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: Thin skinned people.
> >
> > And you... why do you send that.... and me.. why did I send this???? ad
> > infinitum.....
> > beware... these messages *are* the virus
> >
> > Milt Epstein wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, 27 Sep 2000, Godbey, David wrote:
> > >
> > > > Formerly RE: OFF TOPIC: RE: Running servlets in tomcat. RE:Date! RE:
> > all
> > > > the rude people
> > > >
> > > > Why do we waste so much band width on this drivel? It infuriates
> > > > me. If you have issue with something someone said, why can't you
> > > > take it off line, one-on-one?
> > >
> > > I don't know, why did you send this to the list?
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Milt Epstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 4:36 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC: RE: Running servlets in tomcat. RE:Date! RE: all
> > > > the rude people
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Yamijala, Kalyan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I absolutely agree with you guys!! Active and advanced users like
> > > > > you will obviously feel frustrated. But most users don't care to
> > > > > read the policies when they join the user groups. And more
> > > > > importantly most users "do not realize" that the questions they put
> > > > > through are not meant to be asked here.
> > > >
> > > > Sounds like you're saying that "most users" are lazy (and hence, by
> > > > extension, selfish and inconsiderate). If that's the case, I don't
> > > > really care what they think. (I don't necessarily think that's the
> > > > case, but there are some that are.)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The point I was trying to make was that the "tone" of emails
> > > > > discouraging users from sending mails doesn't sound good. Some
> > > > > comments sound like admonishment rather than discouragement. And
> > > > > these comments invite unnecessary mails like the one that came as a
> > > > > reply to Srini's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why am I concerned? I am new to the group and servlets, and however
> > > > > careful I may be, I may stumble across questions that I do not
> > > > > realize are off topic, basic or even "stupid". And I wouldn't feel
> > > > > comfortable seeing replies that sound like "get the hell outta
> > > > > here".
> > > > [ ... ]
> > > >
> > > > I think you may be overly concerned -- I think what people are really
> > > > asking is that you think about whether your question is appropriate (a
> > > > little common sense and experience comes in handy there) and make some
> > > > effort to seek out the answer first on your own. If you give some
> > > > indication that you've done that, I don't think people will hassle you.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Milt Epstein
> > > Research Programmer
> > > Software/Systems Development Group
> > > Computing and Communications Services Office (CCSO)
> > > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC)
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >
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