RE: [shavian] How to write "ance"?

[Hugh Birkenhead]

If you want advice on how to best use the American Heritage Dictionary (at www.dictionary.com) to check Shavian spellings, refer to http://mixsynth.fearfulsilence.com/shavian/ahdpronshaw.htm. It shows how the AHD’s pronunciation guide symbols relate to Shavian letters.   Hugh B   From: Seb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2004 08:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [shavian] How to write "ance"?   I got that you convert dictionary keys to Shavian, the problem is there are any number of characters that can be used. For example what is the difference between "a" and "u"?   Is there a key that shows which Shavian characters should be used for which sounds in a more detailed fashion than the one supplied on the official Shavian site (preferably with some more detailed examples)?   I need example that will tell me which characters to use when certain sounds are succeeded with certain other sounds. For example the difference when using Roman between "a-rrived" and "a-ccess" or "u-gly" and "u-lysses".   Thanks, Seb ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [shavian] How to write "ance"?   Seb, Carl, and other Shavians,   Shavian is a dicitonary key spelling of English. If you want to know the correct spelling, find and transcribe the dictionary key spelling.   Most dictionary keys recognize schwa - an unstressed mid lax vowel.   Schwa spelling may be a little difficult for novices to pick up.  It takes a some practice.   It is based on the fact that one of the key features of English speech is relative stress. In many languages, length or duration is critical, in English the important feature is stress.   In English, almost every multisyllable word will have relative stress.  All unstressed vowels can be represented with a schwa.  This means that there can be radical changes in the root: f�t�,  f�t&graf,  f&t�gr&fy, f&t�gr&f&r, etc.  A spelling system that maintains the spelling of the root no matter how the word is pronounced is called morphemic.    A schwa is very short.  At 50 ms in length it is shorter than other short vowels which are usually over 100 ms in duration.    For example, penance at www.m-w.com is transcribed as 'pen-&n(t)s Some speakers do not distinguish penance and pennants.  This means that <ce> may reference /ts/.   REF:  www.foolswisdom.com/~sbett check out schwa.htm and related topics Hi Seb,   I would write "penance" as "penans" in Shavian. --Carl Seb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How does one write this in shavian? For example, how does one write "penance"? The closest I could get is "penens". That doesn't sound right to me...forgive me beacaue I just began learning something like half an hour ago. Cheers, Seb Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shavian/   To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.