On Jan 4, 2008 4:37 PM, Tommie Podzemski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>  I'd say http://incubator.apache.org/shindig/ would be enough to start with.
> Not sure if we're allowed to host any mysql (if we're set on mediawiki) on
> incubator.apache.org though. But i could always host the mysqldb to start
> with.
>

No dynamic web sites is a strong requiremente of infrastructure, for
what I know. Also, infrastructure typically uses moinmoin rather than
mediawiki. There is a incubator wiki around already, part of the
Apache Software Foundation "farm" of wikis. A big bunch of people
around here that does not like to push complexity in the ASF
infrastructure beyond a certain level, and using a relational backend
for a wiki is a lot of complexity. I remember that getting the wiki an
"official" part of the infrastructure took a long time.

> As Thomas pointed out, a mediawiki is dead-easy to get on the road. We're
> looking at 15 minutes of setup/configuration and it's done.
>

Until you get the first peak of traffic, and then you need to cluster,
and then mysql corrupts the DB, and bad things start to happen... Been
there, seen that (not in the ASF sites) :)

I'm one of those that think that the relational model is way off base
for something like a document storage system. But I'm not involved in
infrastructure at the moment, and here a strong principle is that
those that do the work decide.

Is there anything that *requires* a relational backend for the
website? While moinmoin is relatively dynamic, it can serve static
pages (I guess mediawiki too, but I don't really know).

> Tommie
>

OTOH, nothing like a bit of wiki-shedding for community building ;-)

Regards
Santiago

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