On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:51 PM, Thibault Cohen <titilamb...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello everyone !
>
> I'm guilty, this is my fault... :( sorry.
>
> I just created a new pull request that should fix this bug :)
>
Hi,
still issue on debian (I didn't test centos). But the Travis part is ok.
> But I have two comments about all of this:
>
> - BETA tags seem to be useless, otherwise someone would have reported
> this bug earlier...
>
> Sad but true. don't expect people to test a beta (unless they are core
dev). Even the test level is quite low on RC. It's mainly on few days after
the release that we have the most bug ticket.
>
> - Also, I think we don't use setuptools as we should. If you look at
> what ansible/salt do, they don't ship any files outside /usr/local/ folder
> (using ie: sudo pip install salt). I didn't find any python software which
> copy configuration files in /etc/ or makes some chown during the
> installation (pip install ...).
> I feel like pip is made to install libs more than full software
>
> Yes, the whole python ecosystem was done for libs, not tools :(
> - Maybe we need to rethink about what setup.py should do and should
> not do...
>
> For linux installation, I think we should get inspiration from BSD folder
> architecture generated by pip installation.
>
We already finish this talk on the pre-2.0 version and we did choose the
LSB. We won't change again as it's a valid way to find files after all.
In the next years, I think docker-like ship will be the default (think
about docker-like plugins! no more system/python/perl lib issue ^^), and
users won't even have to mix local system and applications. And they won't
even care where it's installed in the container (as it's a black box and it
won't break their system).
All we need for this are (easier) orchestration tools and more powerful
container monitoring (currently it's not so natural to monitor containers
as they can spawn quickly).
It can be docker or another container solution, but as it can save a lot of
time to admins to install/link new tools, I think it will be really asked
in production, and not just a dev playground tool ^^
[...]
>
> --
> Thibault Cohen
>
>
Jean
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