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On Tuesday, April 13, 2004, at 05:09 AM, Greg Vincent wrote:
I was referring mostly to the Apple equipment. We use Macs exclusively in
the school system, and I get a laugh when other teachers have to order
keyboards for $70 or a mouse for $40, and pay full price for software. There
are so many discount vendors for PC software, Hell, you can get it for free
if you are a bit unscrupulous...I'm running XP Pro on 4 computers and it
runs like Superman minus Kryptonite...and I get the systems for $1 each
through the University. I've been out golfing 3 times this week, yet to
break 100, but I'll keep trying.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mats Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 7:22 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
I think you haven't been checking the mac market for a while. I don't think you can find many accessories that don't work on a mac. It's almost always so that it's easier to get something to work on a Mac than on a Win system. Bluetooth is one of them. It took me about 5 min to get my SE T68i to talk to my Powerbook, so that I could use adressbook on the computer to make calls. My friend tried to connect his phone to his PC. After 2 hours he gave up, he was missing a couple of drivers. I agree that a Mac are a bit more expensive that a PC, but it has longer lifespann and the cost for support are a lot less, i.e if a company buys Mac it's a bigger investment but in the long run it evens out pretty nice.
It's a bit of topic but still.
Now any day our courses around here open, I hope!!!
Mats B Karlstad
2004-04-13 kl. 09.02 skrev Greg Vincent:
Sure Mac is nice....if you like paying double for software and triple
for
accessories...and if you like throwing out perfectly good monitors with
obsolete computers, and if you like supporting proprietary monopolizing
corporate greed, ala Microsoft...Apple never could find a way to open
its
code and maintain it's 6% market share...LOSERS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mats Bengtsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 2:44 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
There has been a lot of developments in Mac since you gave up on them,
specially OS X, now in it's 3rd version. It is built on Unix and are a
LOT more stabile than any Win version you could think about.
When it comes to apps, I think you could find just about anything you
will ever need.
just my 2 ct
Mats B Karlstad Sweden
2004-04-13 kl. 02.44 skrev Mark A Patton:
Sorry to come into this thread late (and I haven't seen what other posts there may have been)
RK, Your on XP (hopefully Pro) and having issues? Dave T, you're on 98? Linux?
For what it's worth:
I'm no computer pro. I'm a lazy man that figured I could make a
computer
work for me.
Started with OS/400 and at home once the PC launched used MS. 3.X was
OK. 95
was a disaster, with 98 being only a minalization of that (har to
rebuild 98
every 2 months). W2K was better, but much like driving a Semi
through a
tropical paradise (getting the job done but inflicting casualties
long
the
way, and not a good experience).
Back when I was on 98, I tried many distros of Linux. Great for
someone who
knows puters and OSs, elsewise no go.
Later w/ W2K I tried again and found the same thing for the most part
except
Linux was more intuitive (ie like MAC & windows). Linux could catch
ground,
and would work well for me, but the apps I use aren't available (the
same
reason I gave up on MAC years ago. Doesn't matter how well it works
if
it
doesn;t do what I need it to.)
Made the change to XP Pro, and as much as I hate to say it, it has been Wonderful! No system issues, no my not understanding what I need to do minor points, etc, NO NOTHING. The damn thing just WORKS (within reason of any OS under constant attack)! It has just plain WORKED since day one with more robustness than W2K or Linux ever though about, and with more intuitiveness than 3.X, 95 or 98. For the record, I really don;t like it's interface, so it was simply reconfigured to look like W2K (which felt like a semi without a clutch).
I guess its just me as adoption rate is low, but as much as I would
like to
deride it, I really like XP Pro.
Word to the wise: any MS product that hints to Home, Education, etc
is
crap.
Pro is the way to go (I guess that is MS terminology for "it works",
Mark A Patton [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Corey Bailey Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 3:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Conversion factors
Hi Dave, If you liked Win NT 3.5, then you will like Win 2K Pro. It's essentially NT 5. I use it as the default OS for the PC machines at home with one box still running Win 98 R2 for those apps that need it as Win 2K does obsolete a number of apps and hdwe that run on 98.
At work they just changed out everything for new HP's running XP. I
hate it
and it does not interface to the Novel network nearly as well as the
Win 2k
boxes they removed.
Best,
CB Sorry for continuing the "non-golf" thread.
At 10:09 AM 4/11/2004 -0400, you wrote:
My issues are not UNIX skills. I have been a UNIX user since 1976.
I'm a
fairly proficient user of things like "ksh" and "sed". "Vi" used to
be my
editor of choice, but the current mouse-based editors have won me
over
(about 10 years ago). I waited until Windows got to NT3.5 before I
made it
my OS of choice. (I am currently running Win98.)
Like RK, I dislike depending on Microsoft. And that's on the basis
of
up-close-and-personal; I made a lot of business and technical trips
to
Redmond (and Bellevue, back in 1983 when they were only 350 people),
so I
know them and how they work. And I'd rather opt out -- if I could.
My problem is that I use a lot of programs and utilities that only
run on
Windows. I haven't tried WINE. If it works well (meaning not much
lost
speed running some of the apps), then it might fill the bill for me.
But I
don't have the time to experiment with it to find out. Guess I care
-- but
not enough to make migration a priority.
Cheers! DaveT
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