Hi RK,

I must be missing something, because I don't see anything like the Butler
ferrule at Pro-Swing.  I see what they call wood inserts, or what I would
call collared ferrules, but these are not like the Butler.  The Butler
ferrule has parallel sides the full length and I'd say it is a little wider
than the OD of a typical wood hosel.  There is no lip on it and no taper,
except a very small 45� bevel at the top.  It is shaped like this (I hope
this comes through).  F is the ferrule, c is the crown of the head, h is the
hosel, s is the sole plate and * is the shaft.

           *** 
           ***
         FFFFFFF
        F  ***  F
ccccccccF  ***  Fccccccccc
       cF  ***  Fc
        FFFFFFFFF       
        hhhhhhhhh
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
        h  ***  h
sssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Dan 
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rchard w kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 6:37 PM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Butler SSti driver
>
>
>Dan, yes those are the ones that I am talking about you can 
>get them from
>Pro Swing.    Most likely the best cheapest thing that they sell.
>
>RK
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Dan Neubecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Monday, July 05, 2004 10:48 AM
>Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Butler SSti driver
>
>
>> Richard/Jeff,
>>
>> You may not be clear on what these things look like from my 
>description.
>> The hosel sits about 1/4" or so inside the top of the head, 
>but does not
>> touch the top shell.  The opening in the head is larger than 
>the hosel.
>The
>> ferrule is not one of those collared ferrules, but has a 
>straight shaft,
>no
>> taper, and is probably 1/2" long.  It sets down inside the head,
>essentially
>> on top of the hosel and leaves about 1/4" of it sticking up above the
>crown
>> of the head.  I can't think of any other ferrule I've seen 
>that would work
>> with this system.
>>
>> BTW, Jeff, I do still have a pullout original Butler SSti 
>shaft with the
>> ferrule on it, so I can take a pic of it.  I also still have 
>a Butler SSti
>> driver that I can take a pic of with a shaft installed, if 
>that would be
>> helpful.
>>
>> Dan Neubecker
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Rchard w kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 11:29 AM
>> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Butler SSti driver
>> >
>> >
>> >Jeff Dan All, I get those type style of ferrule(s) from Pro
>> >Swing Golf in
>> >Ohio, somewheres.   I use a 7/16 reamer to bore out the hosel
>> >for irons,
>> >remember you can ream out a hole (hosel) to another 1/32 or
>> >.03125.   But to
>> >be able to erform this task you're going to need a real heavy
>> >duty reaming
>> >fixture.   But your hosel should already be ready o receive
>> >the ferrule.
>> >----- Original Message ----- 
>> >From: "Dan Neubecker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:59 PM
>> >Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Butler SSti driver
>> >
>> >
>> >> Jeff,
>> >>
>> >> Yes, it has a very unique ferrule system.  I doubt you can
>> >find anything
>> >> like it.  It sets recessed into the head a bit.  The shaft
>> >does not come
>> >> into contact with the top shell of the driver at all.  The hosel
>> >essentially
>> >> extrudes up from the bottom of the head, but there is a
>> >space between it
>> >an
>> >> the top shell.  The best thing to try and do is heat the
>> >club from the
>> >> bottom only and after you get the head off, try and re-use
>> >the existing
>> >> ferrule.  BTW, you will need a jig similar to the one used
>> >for Pings or
>> >> Callaway's to get the head off, because you have no hosel to
>> >push against
>> >> and the puller must push against the top shell of the head.
>> >>
>> >> You might want to think about cutting the shaft off just
>> >above the ferrule
>> >> and then drilling/reaming out the shaft, therefore preserving the
>> >clubheads
>> >> topshell and the ferrule.
>> >>
>> >> Dan Neubecker
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >-----Original Message-----
>> >> >From: Jeff Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 11:35 AM
>> >> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >Subject: ShopTalk: Butler SSti driver
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >I have a Butler SSti driver (10.5�) from a customer who wants it
>> >> >reshafted. He told me that there is something unique about
>> >the ferrule
>> >> >and the shaft insertion but wasn't sure exactly what it
>> >was. Before I
>> >> >start trying to remove the shaft I though I'd inquire of the
>> >> >collective
>> >> >knowedge of the group.
>> >> >
>> >> >Jeff
>> >> >wholeinone
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
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