Bingo.

Changing

        providers
-               ISP  1  0x100  main  EXTIF  detect  track,balance  INTIF
+               ISP  1  0x100  main  EXTIF  detect  track,balance  INTIF,WIFIIF

Now I can ping from the hostapd-connected phone to the Internet, as well as to 
everything on my LAN.

I can't access any WebSites on the net from a browser, or Mail on my lan.

Yet.

That may be rules.  Need to look around a bit.

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