>> The inclusion of the AS number had just a little to do with
>> origination and probably more to do with the AS path - the semantic
>> intent of the inclusion of the AS number in a BOA was to say "I'm the
>> holder of this AS number and I'm not using it in routing at all. If
>> you see a BGP update with this AS number anywhere in the AS Path then
>> that's a lie!"
> 
> But this requires full enumeration of the AS number
> space with each BOA, at least two ranges spanning all
> but the AS(s) listed in the ROA(s).
> 
> This seems like a bad idea to me, as a matter of security
> policy expecting folks to explicitly fully enumerate what
> they will not accept, or what others should not accept,
> rather than letting it be an implicit "deny everything
> else".

I think there is a lack of clarity in the BOA draft as to what the list
of ASs actually is saying:

My understanding is that the list of ASs and the list of IP prefixes is
independent (ie, logical OR), and unlike with ROAs, only the holder of
an AS can sign a BOA with that AS in it.

That is, if AS5 and 10.0.0.0/8 appear in a BOA, it means that neither
AS5 *nor* prefixes 10.0.0.0/8 and more specific should *ever* appear in
routing, together or separately.

Geoff, George, Terry, is my understanding correct?

Rob

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