speaking as regular ol' member

On Oct 30, 2014, at 11:59 AM, Geoff Huston <[email protected]> wrote:

> 
>> On 29 Oct 2014, at 10:17 am, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> On Aug 11, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> …

To be honest, I get a bit confused as to whether we are considering the case of 
planned transfer actions, or some unanticipated reduction in a certificate's 
resources.

If we're talking about the planned case, then:
> 
> If I understand your note here, you are suggesting that the CA issues a new 
> cert for the to-be-transferred resource and revokes and reissues the original 
> "omnibus" cert to have all the resources minus the to-be-transferred 
> resource. Yes?

Or, as another idea, leave the original certificate in place but also issue two 
certificates, one for the retained space, one for the transfer space.

If I'm planning on transferring some of my resources, I could request my parent 
do this.

If I have sub allocated some of those to-be-transferred resources to customers, 
then I'd be quite remiss if I were not mentioning this to my customer who was 
just about to lose some of their resources.  So maybe I'd reissue certs to 
customers who had exclusively retained space under the new cert with only 
retained space, same for the about to be transferred space.  The customers who 
have a mix of retained and transferred space are in a pickle of my own making, 
and I should work with them closely.  Before I do the transfer.

I think the RPKI structures work if I create the needed certs in the 
fate-sharing part of my customer cone.  (Maybe even a hint of gr**dp*r*ting).

I consider this similar to RIPE's instructions to their members to retain their 
authority over their sub allocated space, carefully setting the mtn-by, 
mtn-lower, mtn-route, etc..  Of course, that's from my reading of the RIPE 
documentation, so I could be wrong about that.

Working the process out for planned transfers would be valuable.

--Sandy, speaking as a regular ol' member


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