> On Aug 18, 2017, at 2:38 AM, Lu Heng <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Aftab: > > I believe your understanding of spammer operation is not at all based on > reality.
Aftab’s description of spammer operations is very much based in reality. > Spammers merely need one to two-month space, and they disappear soon. Thus, > there is no point for them to undergo this temporary transfer in order to > sort out all the APNIC membership with a huge amount of paper work when they > can simply pay (or hijack) for an announcement and have their spam job done. You’d be surprised. > Have you ever experienced during your operation history: a spammer come to > you and say, 'hey we want to have a proper RIR registration in our name. For > this we are so scared that you will take away space from us while we are > spamming?’ Usually they aim for RIR registration in the name of one of their shell companies, but I don’t see any reason that this temporary transfer policy wouldn’t also be used that way. > Could you answer that directly? > > The policy which aims to bring more accurate whois database for today's > leasing market of space actually forces leaser to register their leaser's > information in the whois database by offering protection of leasee and > leaser's interest and by agreeing to set an amount time of ownership. One of > the biggest risks faced by leasee is the probability of the leaser cancelling > assignment or sub-allocation. This will lead to operation problem if they are > not ready for network renumbering. In this sense, the protection can be an > incentive for leasees to register their information properly. In my observation, the primary users of today’s “leasing market” of IPv4 address space are, in fact, snowshoe spammers, so you’re kind of making Aftab’s case here. Owen > > On 18 August 2017 at 07:22, Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > It is already a possibility in the RIPE region to do such transfers. > > > And? > > It is really to cover a corner case where organisations are not able > or interested in receiving the IP space in form of assignments or > sub-allocations, but need them to be part of their own registry for > full control of the space and only for a pre-set amount of time. > > Solution is simple, if the organization is not interested in receiving the > resources as assignments and sub-allocations then just buy it. > > What is full control? creation of route-objects? or anything which can't be > done by sending an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>? > > I do not believe that spammer would benefit from this policy as they > would have to register with APNIC as members and provide all the > needed paperwork such as company registration papers, ID/passports, > billing address etc... > > It will definitely support the spammers by all means. You temperorary > transfer resource to Spammer, they do their thing and get black listed > everywhere and then you get the resources back and ask everyone that we are > the new owner of this resource so kindly remove all the listing. REPEAT. > > They are much better off renting a /24 from the black market with no > traces or documented changes ion the address block. > > Yup, let them pay black market rates for black market business model. > > And what will be the temporary transfer fees? same as permanent transfer > fees? or free? > > In order to resolve a corner case it will open up opertunities for spammers. > I stronly oppose it. > -- > Best Wishes, > > Aftab A. Siddiqui > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy > <https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy> > > > > -- > -- > Kind regards. > Lu > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy
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