Satoru San and JPOPF Team, Thanks for your valuable comment on the Policy Proposal.
We will try to update our proposal according to your comments and advice. - with regards SIMON. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021 at 2:52 PM Tsurumaki, Satoru <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Colleagues, > > I am Satoru Tsurumaki from Japan Open Policy Forum Steering Team.. > > I would like to share key feedback in our community for prop-141, > based on a meeting we organised on 25th Aug to discuss these proposals. > > Many neutral opinions were expressed about this proposal. > > (comment details) > - From a macroscopic perspective, IPv4 has already been exhausted, > so this proposal is not expected to have a significant impact. > - This is a proposal from a user's perspective by a proposer > who is in trouble, and we think it is a valuable proposal. > As the proposal includes measures to prevent complete exhaustion > ahead of schedule, we think the opinions of the proposer should be > respected. > - The number of routes will increase by 10,000, but this is small in > relation to the total number of routes, so it should not be a concern. > > > Regards, > > Satoru Tsurumaki / JPOPF Steering Team > > > 2021年8月30日(月) 21:39 Srinivas (Sunny) Chendi <[email protected]>: > >> Dear all, >> >> Here is the Secretariat impact assessment for proposal "prop-141-v001: >> Change maximum >> delegation size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) >> addresses". >> >> APNIC notes the proposed delegation of additional /24 to the existing >> members, as per the >> criteria under Section 7.0 "Subsequent IPv4 delegations" who received a >> maximum of /23 >> (under current policy) after Thursday, 28 February 2019, and the >> proposed new >> policy to change the IPv4 maximum delegation size to a /23 +/24 to the >> new members. >> >> APNIC also notes the following proposed thresholds: >> - IPv4 maximum delegation size will automatically changes to a /23 if >> the available (incl reserved) IPv4 pool comes down to 900k. >> - IPv4 maximum delegation size will automatically changes to a /24 if >> the available (incl reserved) IPv4 pool comes down to 256k, and >> add the /16 reserved for future use to the available pool. >> >> This proposal would require changes to the website content, procedure >> documents and manuals, training material, membership >> forms and various registry systems. >> >> If this proposal reaches consensus, implementation may be completed >> within 3-6 months. >> >> Clarifications required: >> 1. When the available IPv4 pool is down to 900k or 256k, and in case if >> a large IPv4 address space is added to this available pool, >> will the maximum delegation size automatically revert to /23+/24 or /23, >> or not? >> >> Regards, >> Sunny >> >> On 13/08/2021 10:00 am, Bertrand Cherrier wrote: >> > Dear SIG members, >> > >> > The proposal "prop-141-v001: Change maximum delegation size of IPv4 >> > address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses" has been sent >> > to the Policy SIG for review. >> > >> > It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 52 >> > on Thursday, 16 September 2021. >> > >> > >> https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconference.apnic.net%2F52%2Fprogram%2Fschedule%2F%23%2Fday%2F4&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0c88d9ff2a3e4b77366608d95ded6d87%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637644097784605051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=RgeAtrf1ze9SiEEHqSpVoB1dZJ4mv8O0oygInlB%2Bt7Y%3D&reserved=0 >> > >> > >> > We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing >> > list before the OPM. >> > >> > The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important >> > part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to >> > express your views on the proposal: >> > >> > - Do you support or oppose this proposal? >> > - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, >> > tell the community about your situation. >> > - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? >> > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? >> > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more >> > effective? >> > >> > Information about this proposal is appended below and also available at: >> > >> > >> https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fpolicy%2Fproposals%2Fprop-141&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0c88d9ff2a3e4b77366608d95ded6d87%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637644097784605051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=alrD0MZrJcV9sfP3%2FEs3zy1Ynz8YBXx4zEQHsLQcZGs%3D&reserved=0 >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > Bertrand and Ching-Heng >> > APNIC Policy SIG Chairs >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > prop-141-v001: Change maximum delegation size of IPv4 address from 512 >> > ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > Proposer: Simon Sohel Baroi ([email protected]) >> > Aftab Siddiqui ([email protected]) >> > >> > >> > 1. Problem statement >> > -------------------- >> > According to the APNIC IPv4 Address Report, >> > ( >> https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fmanage-ip%2Fipv4-exhaustion%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C0c88d9ff2a3e4b77366608d95ded6d87%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637644097784605051%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=AjbAiqtC5RbvKPGDEVADmSrxJILXwC4Avl4sfQyNNAw%3D&reserved=0 >> > ) the available and reserve pool size is as follows: >> > >> > Available Pool : IP Address 3480064 | 13594 Of /24 >> > Reserved Pool : IP Address 2240000 | 8750 Of /24 >> > >> > If APNIC continues to delegate IPv4 in size of /23 with the average >> > growth rate of 145 x /23 delegations per month the pool will be >> > exhausted around Aug/Sep 2027. Which means the huge number of IPv4 >> > addresses will be unused for a long time and large community members >> > will still remain behind the NAT box or without Internet Connectivity. >> > >> > >> > 2. Objective of policy change >> > ----------------------------- >> > The current final /8 allocation policy [1] advise that the current >> > minimum >> > delegation size for IPv4 is 256 ( /24 ) addresses and each APNIC >> > account holder is only eligible >> > to receive IPv4 address delegations totalling a maximum 512 ( /23 ) >> > addresses from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. >> > (6.1. Minimum and maximum IPv4 delegations ) >> > >> > This is a proposal to change the maximum size of IPv4 address >> delegations >> > from the available IPv4 address pool to a totalling of 768 (/23+/24) >> > addresses. >> > >> > Increasing the maximum IPv4 delegation size from /23 to /23+/24 IPv4 >> > address pool will allow Newcomers and also Existing APNIC account >> > holders who only received /23 after Thursday, 28 February 2019 to >> > receive 256 (/24) IPv4 addresses. >> > >> > >> > 3. Situation in other regions >> > ----------------------------- >> > There is no similar policy in place in other RIR regions. >> > >> > >> > >> > 4. Proposed policy solution >> > --------------------------- >> > It is recommended to increase the IPv4 address delegation size from >> > 512 max (/23) to 768 (/23 + /24). The address space can now be >> > allocated from the available 103/8 last /8 block and/or from non 103/8 >> > recovered address blocks. This policy will continue until the >> > available + reserved comes down to less than 900,000 IPv4 addresses >> > i.e. < 3500x/24, once reaching this threshold the maximum delegation >> > size will revert back to 512 IPv4 addresses (/23) and will continue to >> > do so until the available + reserved block comes down to 256,000 IPv4 >> > addresses i.e 1000x/24 then the delegation size will further reduce to >> > 256 IPv4 addresses i.e. /24 and at this time the /16 reserved for >> > future use (as per APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1) will be added to the >> > available address block. >> > >> > It is proposed to modify the section 6.1 maximum IPv4 delegations of >> > the APNIC Internet Number Resource Policies [1] accordingly. >> > >> > Current Policy text >> > >> > Since Thursday, 28 February 2019, each APNIC account holder is only >> > eligible to receive IPv4 address delegations totalling a maximum /23 >> > from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. >> > >> > New Policy text >> > >> > Each APNIC account holder is only eligible to receive IPv4 address >> > delegations totalling a maximum 768 ( /23+/24 ) from the APNIC >> > available IPv4 address pool. >> > >> > Existing APNIC account holders (since Thursday, 28 February 2019 ), >> > who only have /23 can apply for another /24 maintaining the criteria >> > matched with section 7.0. >> > >> > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and >> > reserve pool, comes down to 900,000 addresses, delegation size will >> > automatically come down to 512 (/23) IPv4 addresses. >> > >> > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and >> > reserve pool, comes down to 256,000 addresses, delegation size will >> > automatically come down to 256 (/24) IPv4 addresses. In this situation >> > APNIC will also add /16 reserved blocks in to the available pool which >> > is reserved for future use as per APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1 >> > >> > >> > 5. Advantages / Disadvantages >> > ----------------------------- >> > Advantages: >> > - This proposal will ensure smooth allocation of IPv4 addresses to >> > existing and new APNIC members. >> > >> > Disadvantages: >> > - This might add up to 10,000 /24s into the global routing table i.e. >> > 1.2% increase. The current growth rate without this policy is >> > approximately 7% every year. >> > >> > >> > 6. Impact on resource holders >> > ----------------------------- >> > The Organisation who became an APNIC member after Thursday, 28 >> > February 2019 and received only /23, can receive another /24 IPv4 >> > Resources. >> > >> > >> > >> > 7. References >> > ------------- >> > [1] Section 6.1. 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