Hi Vivek,
> We would like some clarification on the following two points as they are > not consistent. > > > Increasing the maximum IPv4 delegation size from /23 to /23+/24 IPv4 > address pool will allow Newcomers and also > > Existing APNIC account holders who only received /23 after Thursday, 28 > February 2019 to receive 256 (/24) IPv4 > > addresses. > > The above point suggests regardless when an organization became an APNIC > member, if they only received /23 after Thursday, 28 February 2019, they > will be eligible to receive an additional /24. > What happens if an account holder had only received a /24 before Thursday, > 28 February 2019? Would they be excluded from receiving this additional > delegation? > Anyone who became a member after 28th February 2019 was only eligible for a maximum of /23. So anyone who received /23 after 28th Feb is eligible for extra /24. Anyone who only received /24 after 28th Feb is eligible for /23 (/24 as per existing policy and /24 from this proposed policy). > > > The Organization who became an APNIC member after Thursday, 28 February > 2019 and received only /23, can receive > > another /24 IPv4 Resources. > > The above point suggests that only those organizations who became an APNIC > member after Thursday, 28 February 2019 are eligible for this additional > delegation. > I understand your point, this statement not only applicable to members who were impacted by the change of policy from /22 to /23 on 28th Feb 2019 but Any member who only received /23 or /24 under previous policy (max delegation size of /22 or before that), who had the opportunity to receive up to /22 and they either never asked for it or were not eligible that time can still apply for extra IPv4 addresses. This Is because we are suggesting to increase the maximum delegation size from /23 (512 IPv4 addresses) to /23 + /24 (768 IPv4 addresses), we have submitted the updated the text without any date reference to make sure there is no confusion. > > Thanks > Vivek > > On 8/9/21, 8:04 am, "[email protected] on behalf of > Bertrand Cherrier" <[email protected] on behalf of > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear SIG members, > > A new version of the proposal "prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation > size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses" has > been sent to the Policy SIG for review. > > It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 52 > on Thursday, 16 September 2021. > > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconference.apnic.net%2F52%2Fprogram%2Fschedule%2F%23%2Fday%2F4&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Ecb%2F0sTectMW8UL03w9f8aCpprpr2wMiwGVuZGjKNgc%3D&reserved=0 > > We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing > list before the OPM. > > The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important > part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to > express your views on the proposal: > > - Do you support or oppose this proposal? > - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, > tell the community about your situation. > - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more > effective? > > Information about earlier versions is available at: > > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fpolicy%2Fproposals%2Fprop-141&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=wDguOAVH5Rw%2FFFKibNrMOXWY6IKyBro1v6E%2BdSLqftk%3D&reserved=0 > > Regards, > Bertrand and Ching-Heng > APNIC Policy SIG Chairs > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation size of IPv4 address from 512 > ( > /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Proposer: Simon Sohel Baroi ([email protected]) > Aftab Siddiqui ([email protected]) > > > 1. Problem statement > -------------------- > According to the APNIC IPv4 Address > Report,( > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fmanage-ip%2Fipv4-exhaustion%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=woiVPfJDoZi8SpN4T9X3wViWhESF2qHTjxy746iVTuQ%3D&reserved=0 > ) the available > and reserve pool size is as follows: > > Available Pool : IP Address 3,782,144 | 14,774 Of /24 > Reserved Pool : IP Address 1,831,680 | 7,155 Of /24 > > If APNIC continues to delegate IPv4 in size of /23 with the average > growth rate of 145 x /23 delegations per > month the pool will be exhausted around Aug/Sep 2027. Which means the > huge number of IPv4 addresses will be > unused for a long time and large community members will still remain > behind the NAT box or without Internet > Connectivity. > > > 2. Objective of policy change > ----------------------------- > The current final /8 allocation policy [1] advise that the current > minimum delegation size for IPv4 is 256 (/24) > addresses and each APNIC account holder is only eligible to receive > IPv4 > address delegations totaling a maximum > 512 (/23) addresses from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. (6.1. > Minimum and maximum IPv4 delegations) > > This is a proposal to change the maximum size of IPv4 address > delegations from the available IPv4 address pool to > a totaling of 768 (/23+/24) addresses. This proposal also indicates > how > APNIC will distribute the IPv4 resources > systematically when the available pool size reduces. > > Increasing the maximum IPv4 delegation size from /23 to /23+/24 IPv4 > address pool will allow Newcomers and also > Existing APNIC account holders who only received /23 after Thursday, > 28 > February 2019 to receive 256 (/24) IPv4 > addresses. > > > 3. Situation in other regions > ----------------------------- > There is no similar policy in place in other RIR regions. > > > 4. Proposed policy solution > --------------------------- > It is recommended to increase the IPv4 address delegation size from > 512 > max (/23) to 768 (/23 + /24). The address > space can now be allocated from the available 103/8 last /8 block > and/or > from non 103/8 recovered address blocks. > This policy will continue until the available + reserved comes down to > less than 900,000 IPv4 addresses i.e. > < 3515x/24, once reaching this threshold the maximum delegation size > will revert back to 512 IPv4 addresses (/23) > and will continue to do so until the available + reserved block comes > down to 256,000 IPv4 addresses i.e 1000x/24 > then the delegation size will further reduce to 256 IPv4 addresses > i.e. > /24. The very first time the reserved and > available pool goes below 190,000 IPv4 addresses then the IPv4 > reserved > pool (APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1) for Future > Use of /16 (i.e. 256 x /24s) will be added to the available pool. > > Thresholds for IPv4 addresses (Available + Reserved): > > - More than 900,000 IPv4 addresses: Delegation /23 + /24 > - Less than 900,000 IPv4 addresses AND More than 256,000 IPv4 > addresses: > Delegation /23 > - Less than 256,000 IPv4 addresses: Delegation /24 > - Less than 190,000 IPv4 addresses - add APNIC-127 5.1.1 Reserved /16 > to > available pool: Delegation /24 > > > It is proposed to modify the section 6.1 maximum IPv4 delegations of > the > APNIC Internet Number Resource Policies > [1] accordingly. > > Current Policy text : > > Since Thursday, 28 February 2019, each APNIC account holder is only > eligible to receive IPv4 address delegations > totalling a maximum /23 from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. > > New Policy text : > > New APNIC account holder is only eligible to receive IPv4 address > delegations totaling a maximum 768 (/23+/24) from > the APNIC available IPv4 address pool. > > Existing APNIC account holders (since Thursday, 28 February 2019), who > only have /23 can apply for another /24 maintaining > the criteria matched with section 7.0. > > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and > reserve > pool goes below 900,000 addresses (3515, /24s > after last delegation), the delegation size will automatically become > 512 (/23) IPv4 addresses. > > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and > reserve, reaches 256,000 IPv4 addresses (i.e. 1000 /24s > after last delegation), the delegation size will be reduced to 256 > (/24) > IPv4 addresses. The very first time the reserved > and available pool goes below 190,000 IPv4 addresses then the IPv4 > reserved pool of /16 (256 /24s) will be added to the > available pool (APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1). > > At any point, if APNIC receives a large block of > recovered/returned/etc > IPv4 address space increasing the total available > address space and moved into the previous threshold then the > delegation > size will revert back to previous delegation size > as well. Also, all delegations at this stage have to be made > retrospectively i.e. any member who received smaller delegation > size will be eligible to receive more IPv4 addresses as per this > policy, > based on their usage criteria matched with > section 7.0 and availability of addresses. > > > > 5. Advantages / Disadvantages > ----------------------------- > Advantages: > - This proposal will ensure smooth allocation of IPv4 addresses to > existing and new APNIC members. > > Disadvantages: > - This might add up to 10,000 /24s into the global routing table i.e. > 1.2% increase. The current growth rate without this > policy is approximately 7% every year. > > > 6. Impact on resource holders > ----------------------------- > The Organization who became an APNIC member after Thursday, 28 > February > 2019 and received only /23, can receive another > /24 IPv4 Resources. > > > 7. References > ------------- > [1] Section 6.1. "Minimum and maximum IPv4 delegations" of "Policies > for > IPv4 address > space management in the Asia Pacific region" > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fcommunity%2Fpolicy%2Fresources%236.1.-Minimum-and-maximum-IPv4-delegations&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=F05%2BmjaHuY07Cdnsp92dQX0vSIbYGlG9X2i7IHA%2Fkg0%3D&reserved=0 > > -- > Cordialement, > ___________________________________________ > Bertrand Cherrier > Administration Systèmes - R&D > Micro Logic Systems > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mls.nc%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899868777%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=1iQhnmvcE6qDphqXvkAOFZWTascSdQUaK9aB6eEhuR0%3D&reserved=0 > Tél : +687 24 99 24 > VoIP : 65 24 99 24 > SAV : +687 36 67 76 (58F/min) > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > [email protected] > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmailman.apnic.net%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fsig-policy&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899868777%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=vmpi0tUojec3mlq68ujizpxQU4X9yLdejeePBLe2rOQ%3D&reserved=0 > > * sig-policy: APNIC SIG on resource management policy > * > _______________________________________________ > sig-policy mailing list > [email protected] > https://mailman.apnic.net/mailman/listinfo/sig-policy -- Regards, Aftab A. 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