Hi Vivek/Aftab, The updated policy should be applicable for NIR members too and not limited to APNIC membership only in my opinion. Regards, Ajai Kumar
On Wed, 15 Sept 2021 at 06:15, Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Aftab, > > > > Thanks for the clarification. > > > > Regards, > > Vivek > > > > *From: *Aftab Siddiqui <[email protected]> > *Date: *Wednesday, 15 September 2021 at 8:47 am > *To: *Vivek Nigam <[email protected]> > *Cc: *Bertrand Cherrier <[email protected]>, mailman_SIG-policy < > [email protected]> > *Subject: *Re: [sig-policy] prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation, > size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses > > > > Hi Vivek, > > > > We would like some clarification on the following two points as they are > not consistent. > > > Increasing the maximum IPv4 delegation size from /23 to /23+/24 IPv4 > address pool will allow Newcomers and also > > Existing APNIC account holders who only received /23 after Thursday, 28 > February 2019 to receive 256 (/24) IPv4 > > addresses. > > The above point suggests regardless when an organization became an APNIC > member, if they only received /23 after Thursday, 28 February 2019, they > will be eligible to receive an additional /24. > What happens if an account holder had only received a /24 before Thursday, > 28 February 2019? Would they be excluded from receiving this additional > delegation? > > > > Anyone who became a member after 28th February 2019 was only eligible for > a maximum of /23. So anyone who received /23 after 28th Feb is eligible for > extra /24. Anyone who only received /24 after 28th Feb is eligible for /23 > (/24 as per existing policy and /24 from this proposed policy). > > > > > > The Organization who became an APNIC member after Thursday, 28 February > 2019 and received only /23, can receive > > another /24 IPv4 Resources. > > The above point suggests that only those organizations who became an APNIC > member after Thursday, 28 February 2019 are eligible for this additional > delegation. > > > > I understand your point, this statement not only applicable to members who > were impacted by the change of policy from /22 to /23 on 28th Feb 2019 but > Any member who only received /23 or /24 under previous policy (max > delegation size of /22 or before that), who had the opportunity to receive > up to /22 and they either never asked for it or were not eligible that time > can still apply for extra IPv4 addresses. This Is because we are suggesting > to increase the maximum delegation size from /23 (512 IPv4 addresses) to > /23 + /24 (768 IPv4 addresses), we have submitted the updated the text > without any date reference to make sure there is no confusion. > > > > > Thanks > Vivek > > On 8/9/21, 8:04 am, "[email protected] on behalf of > Bertrand Cherrier" <[email protected] on behalf of > [email protected]> wrote: > > Dear SIG members, > > A new version of the proposal "prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation > size of IPv4 address from 512 ( /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses" has > been sent to the Policy SIG for review. > > It will be presented at the Open Policy Meeting (OPM) at APNIC 52 > on Thursday, 16 September 2021. > > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconference.apnic.net%2F52%2Fprogram%2Fschedule%2F%23%2Fday%2F4&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Ecb%2F0sTectMW8UL03w9f8aCpprpr2wMiwGVuZGjKNgc%3D&reserved=0 > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconference.apnic.net%2F52%2Fprogram%2Fschedule%2F%23%2Fday%2F4&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf4cb1afbf7ff4078c13008d977d16b98%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637672564683896297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=Jum%2BI4olP2CxNS1%2BGG1I16wKOdJ9QhYHpI7C78bQBQ4%3D&reserved=0> > > We invite you to review and comment on the proposal on the mailing > list before the OPM. > > The comment period on the mailing list before the OPM is an important > part of the Policy Development Process (PDP). We encourage you to > express your views on the proposal: > > - Do you support or oppose this proposal? > - Does this proposal solve a problem you are experiencing? If so, > tell the community about your situation. > - Do you see any disadvantages in this proposal? > - Is there anything in the proposal that is not clear? > - What changes could be made to this proposal to make it more > effective? > > Information about earlier versions is available at: > > > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fpolicy%2Fproposals%2Fprop-141&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=wDguOAVH5Rw%2FFFKibNrMOXWY6IKyBro1v6E%2BdSLqftk%3D&reserved=0 > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fpolicy%2Fproposals%2Fprop-141&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf4cb1afbf7ff4078c13008d977d16b98%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637672564683896297%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=R9afm6bgF%2BLyZv%2Bowa%2F0tfVZWPlBbKchEJI3vTslPIk%3D&reserved=0> > > Regards, > Bertrand and Ching-Heng > APNIC Policy SIG Chairs > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > prop-141-v002: Change maximum delegation size of IPv4 address from 512 > ( > /23 ) to 768 (/23+/24) addresses. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Proposer: Simon Sohel Baroi ([email protected]) > Aftab Siddiqui ([email protected]) > > > 1. Problem statement > -------------------- > According to the APNIC IPv4 Address > Report,( > https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fmanage-ip%2Fipv4-exhaustion%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Ceacb8eda14bc4e33f6d908d9724b394d%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637666490899858782%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=woiVPfJDoZi8SpN4T9X3wViWhESF2qHTjxy746iVTuQ%3D&reserved=0 > <https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.apnic.net%2Fmanage-ip%2Fipv4-exhaustion%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf4cb1afbf7ff4078c13008d977d16b98%7C127d8d0d7ccf473dab096e44ad752ded%7C0%7C0%7C637672564683906287%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=f4D2sWfVt4OFyUFmB9Buu%2BhbLWjPzg0mzPAGQY5sIAY%3D&reserved=0> > ) the available > and reserve pool size is as follows: > > Available Pool : IP Address 3,782,144 | 14,774 Of /24 > Reserved Pool : IP Address 1,831,680 | 7,155 Of /24 > > If APNIC continues to delegate IPv4 in size of /23 with the average > growth rate of 145 x /23 delegations per > month the pool will be exhausted around Aug/Sep 2027. Which means the > huge number of IPv4 addresses will be > unused for a long time and large community members will still remain > behind the NAT box or without Internet > Connectivity. > > > 2. Objective of policy change > ----------------------------- > The current final /8 allocation policy [1] advise that the current > minimum delegation size for IPv4 is 256 (/24) > addresses and each APNIC account holder is only eligible to receive > IPv4 > address delegations totaling a maximum > 512 (/23) addresses from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. (6.1. > Minimum and maximum IPv4 delegations) > > This is a proposal to change the maximum size of IPv4 address > delegations from the available IPv4 address pool to > a totaling of 768 (/23+/24) addresses. This proposal also indicates > how > APNIC will distribute the IPv4 resources > systematically when the available pool size reduces. > > Increasing the maximum IPv4 delegation size from /23 to /23+/24 IPv4 > address pool will allow Newcomers and also > Existing APNIC account holders who only received /23 after Thursday, > 28 > February 2019 to receive 256 (/24) IPv4 > addresses. > > > 3. Situation in other regions > ----------------------------- > There is no similar policy in place in other RIR regions. > > > 4. Proposed policy solution > --------------------------- > It is recommended to increase the IPv4 address delegation size from > 512 > max (/23) to 768 (/23 + /24). The address > space can now be allocated from the available 103/8 last /8 block > and/or > from non 103/8 recovered address blocks. > This policy will continue until the available + reserved comes down to > less than 900,000 IPv4 addresses i.e. > < 3515x/24, once reaching this threshold the maximum delegation size > will revert back to 512 IPv4 addresses (/23) > and will continue to do so until the available + reserved block comes > down to 256,000 IPv4 addresses i.e 1000x/24 > then the delegation size will further reduce to 256 IPv4 addresses > i.e. > /24. The very first time the reserved and > available pool goes below 190,000 IPv4 addresses then the IPv4 > reserved > pool (APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1) for Future > Use of /16 (i.e. 256 x /24s) will be added to the available pool. > > Thresholds for IPv4 addresses (Available + Reserved): > > - More than 900,000 IPv4 addresses: Delegation /23 + /24 > - Less than 900,000 IPv4 addresses AND More than 256,000 IPv4 > addresses: > Delegation /23 > - Less than 256,000 IPv4 addresses: Delegation /24 > - Less than 190,000 IPv4 addresses - add APNIC-127 5.1.1 Reserved /16 > to > available pool: Delegation /24 > > > It is proposed to modify the section 6.1 maximum IPv4 delegations of > the > APNIC Internet Number Resource Policies > [1] accordingly. > > Current Policy text : > > Since Thursday, 28 February 2019, each APNIC account holder is only > eligible to receive IPv4 address delegations > totalling a maximum /23 from the APNIC 103/8 IPv4 address pool. > > New Policy text : > > New APNIC account holder is only eligible to receive IPv4 address > delegations totaling a maximum 768 (/23+/24) from > the APNIC available IPv4 address pool. > > Existing APNIC account holders (since Thursday, 28 February 2019), who > only have /23 can apply for another /24 maintaining > the criteria matched with section 7.0. > > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and > reserve > pool goes below 900,000 addresses (3515, /24s > after last delegation), the delegation size will automatically become > 512 (/23) IPv4 addresses. > > If the available IPv4 Pool size, which consists of available and > reserve, reaches 256,000 IPv4 addresses (i.e. 1000 /24s > after last delegation), the delegation size will be reduced to 256 > (/24) > IPv4 addresses. The very first time the reserved > and available pool goes below 190,000 IPv4 addresses then the IPv4 > reserved pool of /16 (256 /24s) will be added to the > available pool (APNIC-127 Section 5.1.1). > > At any point, if APNIC receives a large block of > recovered/returned/etc > IPv4 address space increasing the total available > address space and moved into the previous threshold then the > delegation > size will revert back to previous delegation size > as well. Also, all delegations at this stage have to be made > retrospectively i.e. any member who received smaller delegation > size will be eligible to receive more IPv4 addresses as per this > policy, > based on their usage criteria matched with > section 7.0 and availability of addresses. > > > > 5. Advantages / Disadvantages > ----------------------------- > Advantages: > - This proposal will ensure smooth allocation of IPv4 addresses to > existing and new APNIC members. > > Disadvantages: > - This might add up to 10,000 /24s into the global routing table i.e. > 1.2% increase. The current growth rate without this > policy is approximately 7% every year. > > > 6. Impact on resource holders > ----------------------------- > The Organization who became an APNIC member after Thursday, 28 > February > 2019 and received only /23, can receive another > /24 IPv4 Resources. > > > 7. References > ------------- > [1] Section 6.1. 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